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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    It's interesting that the "Political Spectrum" has been used in the thread. I wonder where Hitler would come in their scoring system?


    Oh, there. On the right.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    OK, here 'ya go......
    Thank you.

    I would add:

    a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
    Fascism | Define Fascism at Dictionary.com

    But I was replying to your statement:

    Fascism, of course, is right wing, in that it calls for corporate control of government.
    Your pasted definition says fascism is government control of corporations, if I'm reading it right. And I would agree. Not very "right" sounding somehow.
    Last edited by LuckyDan; 12-03-11 at 11:07 PM.

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper
    Oh, there. On the right.
    Yes, but only slightly to the right. He was predominantly a centrist, economic-wise. The real extremity here lies in his authoritarianism.

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    Were the Nazi Party of Germany a right wing or left wing establishment?

    I figure this is a better place to discuss than on someone else's thread like we were

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    None of the above.

    It is an ideology centered on the racist ramblings of a madman that came to power during a country's darkest times that caused it to do even darker things in an attempt to escape it.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Your pasted definition says fascism is government control of corporations, if I'm reading it right. And I would agree. Not very "right" sounding somehow.
    I know 'm getting involved in this argument pretty late. However, I'd like to state the two major differences between fascism and socialism.

    The first major difference is that fascist revolutions occur from the "top" down while socialist revolutions occur from the "bottom" up.

    That is industrialists and businessmen typically take part in fascist revolutions so they can force the government to be more business centric in their policies. A good example of this is the Business Plot that was alleged to be conspired against FDR here in the U.S. On the other end of the spectrum are socialist revolutions, which is done by laborers of various kinds. In the U.S. examples of this can be found in the First Red Scare in the post Great War era in which laborers went on massive strikes to demand better conditions and rights for workers.

    The second difference between fascism and socialism is that fascists typically use nationalist divisions whereas socialists use class divisions.

    Fascists basically say, "We may be of different economic classes, but it is our common culture and country that is most important and what we should use that bind us. By doing so, we can better defend ourselves from encroachments of other cultures and countries who would change those aspects of us."

    Socialists, however, say, "Borders of culture and countries are just tools that the economic elites use to divide workers and get the labor class to fight against itself. However, the wealthy class of all nations have more in common with each other than they do with the labor class of the same nation. Likewise, the labor class of all nations have more in common with each other than they do the wealthy class of the same nation. And so the labor class of all nations should seek solidarity with each other in order to prevent their mutual economic exploitation."

    So there are a lot of fundamental differences between fascism and socialism, both in the reality of how they are implemented and used and in the rhetoric they use to justify their policies.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    It's interesting that the "Political Spectrum" has been used in the thread. I wonder where Hitler would come in their scoring system?

    Oh, there. On the right.
    well, yeah. another one of the several problems with that test. Interesting how they put him Right There On The Line, though, as if he had to be on the right... but they just couldn't justify the idiocy of trying to pretend like the man was a free-market advocate.

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I know 'm getting involved in this argument pretty late. However, I'd like to state the two major differences between fascism and socialism.

    The first major difference is that fascist revolutions occur from the "top" down while socialist revolutions occur from the "bottom" up.
    That is incorrect. While Socialist Revolutions always like to style themselves as bottom-up, in practice since the Russian Revolution Socialism has more generally followed Lenin's Theory of the Vanguard

    ...A vanguard party is a political party at the forefront of a mass action, movement, or revolution. The idea of a vanguard party has its origins in the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. The concept is most well known for being put into practice by the Bolshevik Party in Russia...
    which indeed argued for a need for top-down organization, radicalization, and mobilization of the masses.

    It is worth noting in that context that the article is a bit blurry on the differences between Marx and Engels - Engels was more tempted by the "it will just all happen naturally and then there will be no states, no governments, and we shall all live together forever in a workers paradise" naive idiocy common to the upper-middle-class champagne socialist. Marx, being poorer, was a good bit more open to the idea of bloodshed.

    That is industrialists and businessmen typically take part in fascist revolutions so they can force the government to be more business centric in their policies.
    isn't it interesting, then, how the NASDP party platform called for large industry to see partial nationalization, forced distribution of profits among the employee, the banning of capital gains, subjugation before the interests of the German Workers, and state prejudice against large department stores in favor of the mom-and-pops.

    A good example of this is the Business Plot that was alleged to be conspired against FDR here in the U.S.
    The Business Plot? really?

    On the other end of the spectrum are socialist revolutions, which is done by laborers of various kinds.
    for example, students.

    The second difference between fascism and socialism is that fascists typically use nationalist divisions whereas socialists use class divisions.
    in matters of emphasis that is correct, but your next part:

    Fascists basically say, "We may be of different economic classes, but it is our common culture and country that is most important and what we should use that bind us. By doing so, we can better defend ourselves from encroachments of other cultures and countries who would change those aspects of us."
    is not necessarily correct at all. The National Socialist German Workers Party was indeed fairly concerned with class, and Hitler was indeed a class-struggle proponent, though he tended to blur between "Jewish" and "Financiers" and "Big Business".

    Socialists, however, say, "Borders of culture and countries are just tools that the economic elites use to divide workers and get the labor class to fight against itself.
    No, SOME socialists say this - and SOME socialists were NATIONALIST and hence argued in favor of National Socialism, the notion that you can and should have socialism within one country. That is why the Italy-Germany-Japan Alliance was called the Anti-Comintern Pact rather than the Anti-Socialism Pact.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    None of the above.

    It is an ideology centered on the racist ramblings of a madman that came to power during a country's darkest times that caused it to do even darker things in an attempt to escape it.
    that is also incorrect. National Socialism welded together a disparate and desperate people, pulled from the intellectual themes of the day, and provided a powerful springboard for the German nation. to try to dismiss it as racist ramblings simply because it is inconvenient of us to understand why it had the pull it did is foolish.

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that is also incorrect. National Socialism welded together a disparate and desperate people, pulled from the intellectual themes of the day, and provided a powerful springboard for the German nation. to try to dismiss it as racist ramblings simply because it is inconvenient of us to understand why it had the pull it did is foolish.
    Nazism national socialism is anti intellectual

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