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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    From what I've read on the subject, Stalin actually put in place some things that generally increased the standard of living for many people (Russia's literacy levels shot way up under Stalin, for example).

    During the war, the standards of living plummetted pretty much for everyone (but this is true of Germany as well).

    Obviously, for some, the standards of living were attrocious throughout due to persecution. But again, this wa strue of germany as well.

    As far as Germany goes, only a certain population saw increases in the standard of living. Generally, there was an overall decline.
    There was a war on it's hard to know. My parents had it pretty tough from what I've been told, but it wasn't all hell.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    By scientific racism, are you talking about the National Parks System?

    And those child labor laws, evil state management, eh??

    In all seriousness, you haven't got a clue about turn of the century progressives. Why not do some research before running your mouth again....
    I've done quite a bit of research.
    You should move on from high school text books, to actual history.

    Child labor laws weren't meant to protect children, but were meant to falsely create full employment and higher wages, by removing competition from the employee market.
    If child labor laws were repealed tomorrow, do you really think all these parents would pull their kids out of school and send them to work?

    Scientific racism aka eugenics.
    It was quite popular at the time, which is no surprise that most eugenic laws in the U.S. were crafted in the same time period.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenic..._United_States
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    how in God's name could anyone consider the Nazis to have been Left-wing?

    did they believe in breaking down international borders?

    did they believe in the brotherhood of mankind?

    did they support gay-rights, abortion-rights, Jewish-rights, minority-rights, rights for immigrants?

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    The question is idiotic in and of itself. Especially when right and left are ridiculously subjective terms. And generally the only reason folks ever talk about it is to link it with liberals and conservatives. Why the **** are we so obsessed with socialist this, socialist that, Nazi this, Nazi that? They are all distinct ideologies.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I've done quite a bit of research.
    Then why do you continue to display a total lack of knowledge about the progressive era. Someone has really done a number on you. Sounds like too much Beck.

    Maybe you should get yourself over to a PUBLIC LIBRARY (Thank you Progressives) and read some real books and stop listening to RW radio rewrite history.

    Eugenics? Seriously? Yeah, Theodore Roosevelt was big into that... Save the Beck smear and spin history for the rubes who watched that idiotic show.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    how in God's name could anyone consider the Nazis to have been Left-wing?
    If they watched Glen Beck and lacked critical thinking skills...

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Then why do you continue to display a total lack of knowledge about the progressive era. Someone has really done a number on you. Sounds like too much Beck.

    Maybe you should get yourself over to a PUBLIC LIBRARY (Thank you Progressives) and read some real books and stop listening to RW radio rewrite history.

    Eugenics? Seriously? Yeah, Theodore Roosevelt was big into that... Save the Beck smear and spin history for the rubes who watched that idiotic show.
    I'm sorry I don't listen to talk radio or watch Beck.
    Truth hurts, but no ideology has clean hands.

    Stop with the god like admiration of early progressives, they are human too.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    If they watched Glen Beck and lacked critical thinking skills...
    Irony.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm sorry I don't listen to talk radio or watch Beck.
    Truth hurts, but no ideology has clean hands.

    Stop with the god like admiration of early progressives, they are human too.
    I'm sorry, I'm just getting caught up on all those links to your sources... Oops.

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I'm sorry, I'm just getting caught up on all those links to your sources... Oops.
    I gave you a link for wiki that talks about Eugenics and how it was especially popular around the turn of the century, which also drew its support from women's voter groups and talks about how the work on eugenics here spread to Nazi Germany.
    Not only that but progressives were particularly resistant to immigration during that time, deeming those people as "unfit."

    Progressive Era - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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