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Thread: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I don't believe in the left/right line of traditional politics. I think the 3D graph is closer, but still too simplistic.

    The Nazi's were statists, of this there is no doubt. Statism is commonly associated with both the FAR left and the FAR right on the "traditional line".... another indicator of that left/right line's flaws.

    They referred to themselves as "national socialists", and have also been called "fascist"... one term suggests the left, the other suggests the right.

    Frankly, the Nazi's were statist thugs, expansionist imperialists, and mass-murderers, and that's good enough definition for me. I don't think trying to claim they were tied to modern liberalism or modern conservatism is productive or accurate.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    I would have to say that the Nazi's were the extreme of both parties wrapped into one. Regardless, as has been mentioned in this thread, statism/nationalism was the largest part of the Nazis machine. The people of course thrived under their rule due to the theft of property and wealth from those conquered.

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    For an extreme left wing socialist party they sure have a funny way of putting the means of production into the hands of the workers: by creating a corporatist state and crushing all worker opposition.

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    Yeah, there's certainly a divergence. But remember that they had the people convinced that the well-ordered and powerful state would lead to the well-being of the German people. So you do point out a distinction, but it is a distinction that was not recognized by the nazis or the german people (well, not all of them, but you know what I mean)-- hence they called themselves national socialists.

    A typical socialist wants the benefits of collective production to be equally available to all workers who invest labor. A national socialist filtered the benefit through the state under the pretext that the people would equally benefit by living in a powerful and strong German empire that was superior to all other nations.
    Perhaps. I am not familiar with the specific propaganda of that time. However, in general principal and philosophy, they are VERY different and I see it as dishonest to equate the two. Whether or not the Nazis were dishonest is not really relevent.

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Neither, Fascism and Nazi is considered by supporters above left and right.

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    When the Nazis first rose to prominence in the twenties, much of their appeal was one of a return to order, this as a reaction to the Weimar era social upheaval. Their demagoguery targeted Jews, of course, but beyond that, the perceived decadence of the time as evidenced by Bauhaus Modernism, Cabarets and other non traditional expressions which were assailed as "Un German", "decadent art", and whatnot.

    How anybody could characterize this as left wing is beyond me.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    crushing individual rights for the "good" of the state is quintissential collectivist philosophy--in other words left wing



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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    In modern american terms....?

    They'd be extreme centrists.

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    crushing individual rights for the "good" of the state is quintissential collectivist philosophy--in other words left wing
    There is always an interplay between what an individual should be able to do and the needs of society. For example, we could be very permissive about things such as murder or theft, but that would hardly serve the needs of society.

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Left-wing contrary to idiots.
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