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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Ok......
    That doesn't do anything to prove that they were trying to disassociate themselves from the right.

    Your post was nothing but conspiracy theory.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    I'm no expert on this area by any means.

    But it seems (from what info I've seen on the whole thing) that there were indeed elements in the Nazi party of that which is today called (in the USA, which has its own flavor) "Liberalism" and “Conservatism”.

    BOTH "sides" (of the US political fabric), in other words, could theoretically be connected to Nazism.



    So, it can by no means be labeled exclusively “conservative” or exclusively “liberal”.

    Firstly, because the world just isn’t that clear-cut.

    Secondly, because even if you DO outright (and inaccurately) declare one activity/policy or another to be pure “conservatism” or “liberalism”, there would still be some crossover.

    That’s how it appears to me.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That must make you a libertarian, trying to not be associated with the right.
    Haha, I don't know, while I am skeptic of too big government, I am equally, if not more skeptic of untamed markets, so I guess most libertarians wouldn't want to side with me.

    But suffice to say, although I often don't agree with libertarians, I have great respect for them (and by that, I mean genuine libertarians, not "libertarians"). A friend of mine works at CATO Institute and we often had good debates. I like the people there stand to what they believe, and they have always attacked civil right violations, no matter if the President in office was named Obama or Bush. So kudos to them. IMHO, if anybody can save the Republicans, it's libertarians.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Irrelevant my aunt emma. It was created by libertarians for the expressed purpose of charting libertarians to justify the various opinions of libertarians and not place them as rightists on he normal continuum in American political thinking.

    That was the entire purpose of it.
    Libertarians don't have much in common with conservatives besides economic issues, but we both placed on the Right. I don't have any particular disdain for conservatism. It just does not reflect my views. I don't distort anything in order to distance myself from anybody I disagree with. The one-dimensional spectrum does not capture the subtlety or diversity of different political thought. If pro-market libertarians on the same side of the spectrum as fascists and anarcho-socialists are on the same side as stalinists, what does the line tell us? The Nolan Chart, which is certainly not the only way of grouping political thought, reflects at least some subtlety.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Libertarians don't have much in common with conservatives besides economic issues, but we both placed on the Right. I don't have any particular disdain for conservatism. It just does not reflect my views. I don't distort anything in order to distance myself from anybody I disagree with. The one-dimensional spectrum does not capture the subtlety or diversity of different political thought. If pro-market libertarians on the same side of the spectrum as Fascists and Anarcho-Socialists are on the same side as Stalinists, what does the line tell us? The Nolan Chart, which is certainly not the only way of grouping political thought, reflects at least some subtlety.
    If libertarians in America got their way, the results would be virtually identical to the wetdreams of the most extreme of right wing conservatives who want to radically weaken government power and programs. Corporations would increase their power greatly and we would soon see a new type of corporate fascism combined with an oligarchy that would destroy this nation. While their methods and means may differ, the same ends would be achieved.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If libertarians in America got their way, the results would be virtually identical to the wetdreams of the most extreme of right wing conservatives who want to radically weaken government power and programs. Corporations would increase their power greatly and we would soon see a new type of corporate fascism combined with an oligarchy that would destroy this nation. While their methods and means may differ, the same ends would be achieved.

    As far as I can tell, tell the NeoCONS are Nazis.

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Ok......
    That doesn't do anything to prove that they were trying to disassociate themselves from the right.

    Your post was nothing but conspiracy theory.
    Not at all. We know for a undeniable fact that a libertarian created it. And who uses it and the bogus worlds smallest political quiz that is so often paired with it? Libertarians. And how do they use it? To convince newbies that they just may have things in common with libertarians and just may start thinking about conversion.

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    As far as I can tell, tell the NeoCONS are Nazis.
    Based on what?
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I'm no expert on this area by any means.

    But it seems (from what info I've seen on the whole thing) that there were indeed elements in the Nazi party of that which is today called (in the USA, which has its own flavor) "Liberalism" and “Conservatism”.

    BOTH "sides" (of the US political fabric), in other words, could theoretically be connected to Nazism.



    So, it can by no means be labeled exclusively “conservative” or exclusively “liberal”.

    Firstly, because the world just isn’t that clear-cut.

    Secondly, because even if you DO outright (and inaccurately) declare one activity/policy or another to be pure “conservatism” or “liberalism”, there would still be some crossover.

    That’s how it appears to me.
    Which traits of the National Socialists would you classify as, "Liberal", and which traits, "Conservative"?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Left-wingers don't talk about the "master race", and persecute other races, religions, ethnicities that they consider to be "inferior".

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