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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    The Nazi's were/are Nazi's and do not represent any major political party in the United States of America.

    They are there very own insecure, self pre occupied and sociopathic sect. Nazism is combination of cruelty and blind obedience to authority.
    Yeah but... Yeah but...

    Nazi has the word 'socialis't in it, so therefore it must be.

    You know, like the Peoples Republic of China?


    I mean, Governments are required to use proper terms when naming themselves. Otherwise that would be false advertising....

    Besides, if the Nazis are NOT socialists, that means all those Fox News and Glenn Beck talking points are b.s. Total lies and misinformation.

    That means Glenn taught us wrong stuff and made us stupid. Why would he want to make his viewers stupid....???

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Its funny that you're going off on a "the right keeps trying to say nazi's were liberals" rant while ignoring the liberals in this very thread trying to do the exact same thing but with the opposite side.

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not at all.
    But case in point here, you're strictly attached to a 1 dimensional left/right spectrum, when it has been plainly pointed out that people/parties/nations can hold views from different ideologies.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not at all.
    But case in point here, you're strictly attached to a 1 dimensional left/right spectrum, when it has been plainly pointed out that people/parties/nations can hold views from different ideologies...
    Naziism's roots in fascism and the right are universally acknowledged, excepting since McCarthy's time, by the ideologues of the American right.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Probably it was pointed out already several times in this thread that a one-dimensional left/right-continuum has its flaws, so I don't need to repeat it.

    To me, it seems that the Nazis mostly picked up ideas that were en vogue in the 19th century among the right in Europe in general and in Germany in particular, and then took them to the extreme: Nationalism, anti-liberal and anti-democratic authoritarianism, militarism, anti-Semitism, racism, imperialism, colonialism, anti-communism and anti-Marxism -- they stood for all of the same things the right-leaning conservative monarchy had stood for, just they took it even several steps further.

    The left, on the other side, *tended* (note: I did not say was generally, or always) opposed to these ideas. Whenever there were critics of rabid nationalism, it were internationalist leftists. Those who stood for a democratic-republican political system were opponents of the monarchists left of them. Most pacifist critics of militarism and colonialism were on the left too. And needless to say, the targets of anti-Marxist sentiments, the Marxist socialists and communists themselves, were usually labelled "left" too.

    So if I have to make a choice, I'd say the Nazis were clearly right, despite a few superficially borrowed elements (rather style than content) from the far left.

    But for the record, I don't that gives any reason to smear the political right in general with the association with Nazism: Whatever meant "right" back then in 1920s' and 30s' Germany is entirely different from what it means today, especially in America. Most opinions held by the common American Republican today would probably qualify as centrist to center-left by the standards of the Weimar Republic in the 1920s (except for the rah rah-patriotism, excessive militarism and the like you sometimes find among a particular subset of American righties -- those attitudes are perfectly compatible with Nazism, if not outright taken out of the Nazis' playbook).
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Its funny that you're going off on a "the right keeps trying to say nazi's were liberals" rant while ignoring the liberals in this very thread trying to do the exact same thing but with the opposite side.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    designed by libertarians, for libertarians, to justify the opinions of libertarians = Nolan Chart. Excuse me for not prostrating myself before that altar.
    Who created the chart is irrelevant. What would you use? Simply saying a policy is "left" or "right" tells us next to nothing about the actual policy. Mussolini himself made it a point to reject the Left and the Right, borrowing many elements from both "sides." The left-right paradigm has been outdated since the end of the French Revolution.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    designed by libertarians, for libertarians, to justify the opinions of libertarians = Nolan Chart. Excuse me for not prostrating myself before that altar.
    Hmmm, I didn't use the Nolan chart.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Naziism's roots in fascism and the right are universally acknowledged, excepting since McCarthy's time, by the ideologues of the American right.
    Then why was Mussolini a member of the Italian Socialist Party, before he created the Fascist party?
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Then why was Mussolini a member of the Italian Socialist Party, before he created the Fascist party?
    Maybe it's worth pointing out that there are quite a few differences between Italian fascism and German Nazism. They go so far that some historians think Nazism should be a different category on its own, instead of being subsummized under the label "fascism".

    So I assume Italian fascism had adopted more elements from the left than German Nazism.
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