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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    No, because he should have been diagnosed as mentally ill. His family should have acted long ago. Absent that, the school or the military or some other organization should have had the authority to have him evaluated, or perhaps those who wish to buy guns should have to demonstrate that they are sane.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    I think those around him, his family and community failed him. And that's the real source of the tragedy, not the fact he laid a CC down on a gun counter.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Why should there be a trial. He was arrested during the act, there were countless witnesses, what is his defense? He is dead to rights guilty. If it were Texas he would be in the fast lane to the electric chair or leathal injection.
    He has the right to a trial, that's it; case closed. He gets his day in court. It MUST be that way. We cannot allow the government to dictate which people do or do not get a trial. Everyone who is arrested is entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers. That's it. No and's if's or but's about it. That is the right of the individual, and we must abide by the rights and liberties of the people.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by ??? View Post
    No, because he should have been diagnosed as mentally ill. His family should have acted long ago. Absent that, the school or the military or some other organization should have had the authority to have him evaluated, or perhaps those who wish to buy guns should have to demonstrate that they are sane.
    I don't understand this stuff. First off, is it really a problem? This happens every so often, but it's not like it's an epidemic. Which seems to state that we have a lot of gun control laws now which significantly reduce this number. You should understand that the number is never going to be zero. That's the problem I see with a lot of these hindsight arguments. In this case, this guy who may have had certain things in his past got a gun and shot up a lot of people. So we say, the parents should have been required to to have him diagnosed as mentally ill. Oh, the military who refused him should have done it. Oh, some "organization" should have had him evaluated. I don't know if people stop to think about what it is they are saying. The guy is a nut job, but does one have to be a nut job to be rejected by the military? If the military doesn't want someone, do they have the rightful power to make them have a psychological evaluation? I mean, that's pretty nuts. Did the school have responsibility to this?

    In the end, the amount of government power and databasing required to do as you people want will only serve as a roadblock to ourselves. Maybe we don't want crazy people talking in public. What if one incites a riot? There are consequences and repercussions for choosing freedom. One of which is that we cannot full blast let the government go for every sensationalized or over-emotionalized case we come about. Another is that we will have a certain amount of crime. Crazy people getting guns, that's not going to stop. In some perfect world, maybe all the stop gaps are in place...maybe there's just no crazy people. But in our world, the government is limited and the rights and liberties of the individual are recognized. We cannot just start making "organizations" who make people have mental evaluations in order to exercise a right. That's crazy. Maybe people who suggest that should be forced to be diagnosed as mentally ill. Hell of a lot more dangerous than a lone gunman.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't understand this stuff. First off, is it really a problem? This happens every so often, but it's not like it's an epidemic. Which seems to state that we have a lot of gun control laws now which significantly reduce this number. You should understand that the number is never going to be zero. That's the problem I see with a lot of these hindsight arguments. In this case, this guy who may have had certain things in his past got a gun and shot up a lot of people. So we say, the parents should have been required to to have him diagnosed as mentally ill. Oh, the military who refused him should have done it. Oh, some "organization" should have had him evaluated. I don't know if people stop to think about what it is they are saying. The guy is a nut job, but does one have to be a nut job to be rejected by the military? If the military doesn't want someone, do they have the rightful power to make them have a psychological evaluation? I mean, that's pretty nuts. Did the school have responsibility to this?

    In the end, the amount of government power and databasing required to do as you people want will only serve as a roadblock to ourselves. Maybe we don't want crazy people talking in public. What if one incites a riot? There are consequences and repercussions for choosing freedom. One of which is that we cannot full blast let the government go for every sensationalized or over-emotionalized case we come about. Another is that we will have a certain amount of crime. Crazy people getting guns, that's not going to stop. In some perfect world, maybe all the stop gaps are in place...maybe there's just no crazy people. But in our world, the government is limited and the rights and liberties of the individual are recognized. We cannot just start making "organizations" who make people have mental evaluations in order to exercise a right. That's crazy. Maybe people who suggest that should be forced to be diagnosed as mentally ill. Hell of a lot more dangerous than a lone gunman.
    I don't think it's that crazy. Nobody is suggesting any school or military or other organization should be able to force someone to be medically diagnosed on a whim. I'm sure protections can be built into a system to ensure that individual rights are not unduly infringed. It's far more difficult, of course, to come up with all the little details that would make such a system feasible and appropriate, than it is to come into a thread and twist around words and declare posters unstable.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Somehow the military recruiters understood who they were dealing with.
    Yes a pot smoker. He was rejected because he flunked the drug test.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Somehow the military recruiters understood who they were dealing with.



    failed a weed test. if caught with weed, that would be a misdemeanor, not something that would preclude you from owning a gun.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by ??? View Post
    I don't think it's that crazy. Nobody is suggesting any school or military or other organization should be able to force someone to be medically diagnosed on a whim. I'm sure protections can be built into a system to ensure that individual rights are not unduly infringed. It's far more difficult, of course, to come up with all the little details that would make such a system feasible and appropriate, than it is to come into a thread and twist around words and declare posters unstable.

    Trying to discern ways to make a decent system better is never pointless.
    It's pointless if it's not possible. The guy failed a drug test with the military, should he have been mentally evaluated? In the end, there's a lot of if's and but's coming from hindsight. But as the events turned, there was no major provocation or warrant to exclude him from practicing his rights.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by ??? View Post
    No, because he should have been diagnosed as mentally ill. His family should have acted long ago. Absent that, the school or the military or some other organization should have had the authority to have him evaluated, or perhaps those who wish to buy guns should have to demonstrate that they are sane.
    How un-constitutional would that be?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Somehow the military recruiters understood who they were dealing with.
    People who smoke pot should all forced to have a mental evaluation done?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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