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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Of course, the problem is that there was multiple times this man's mental state was questioned. However, he was able to purchase the gun and go on a murder spree. What about the rights and due process of the victims.
    But it was not questioned legally. That is the key. Heck, I question several people's sanity, but I have no legal power to declare them insane. If I did, the white vans would be going for Bauchmann right now for example.

    As for the rights of the victims, some jerk just killed them and therefore deserves to go to jail.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Right wing hate rhetoric is no bar to gun ownership?

    If the Army doesn't trust you with a gun, shouldn't that bar you from civilian access?
    Nope, not in the least. There could be various reasons why the military doesn't want someone. They don't give you a card that reads "Rejected because he can't be trusted with a gun". If you are refused by the military, that is no reason to infringe upon the rights of the individual. If you want to enact government force against the rights and liberties of the individual, you have to prove something in court first. You just can't go off of your assumptions about a particular outcome; particularly when viewing from hindsight.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Apparently in his eyes they had comitted a crime, and he was judge, jury, and executioner. But we are certainly worried about his due process.
    Yes and we should be. In this country you are presumed innocent until proved guilty. I mean we all know he did it, but the law must be evenly applied to everyone.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I think there should be a higher barrier to purchasing a handgun than simply a valid state-issued ID card, a willingness to check a box that says you're not mentally unstable and an insta-check of a woefully incomplete database. Waiting periods, training certificates and medical certificates seem all very appropriate and necessary to me. And of course, high capacity magazines should be right out of discussion altogether.
    Of course you do, you do not think the people should have the right to bear arms.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes and we should be. In this country you are presumed innocent until proved guilty. I mean we all know he did it, but the law must be evenly applied to everyone.
    I disagree. If someone is as blantantly guilty as this, they should be executed immediately.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I disagree. If someone is as blantantly guilty as this, they should be executed immediately.
    That is not how our system works. It would make us no better than the Taliban for instance.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is not how our system works. It would make us no better than the Taliban for instance.
    Can there be any question that he perpetraited the crime? And it would still make us a far cry from the Taliban.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Can there be any question that he perpetraited the crime? And it would still make us a far cry from the Taliban.
    The lack of question makes the trial a slam dunk.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I hear ya... but define "mentally unstable".

    Is a vet with PTSD mentally unstable?
    What about someone who just has occasional anxiety attacks?

    Drawing the line could be quite tricky... and there's the question of violating doctor-patient confidentiality, unless the Dr actually thinks the patient is dangerous.
    Thank you for pointing this out.

    The shooter was obviously mentally unstable and was able to buy a gun legally. I can see how that concerns people. But the trick is finding a solution that deals with the issue without simultaniously trampling on the rights (both of privacy in terms of doctor patient info and the 2nd amendment) of thousands of completely innocent and harmless people.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The lack of question makes the trial a slam dunk.
    I know, it just pisses me off that there are those who would stand-up for a child and mass murderer.

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