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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I am with you to a point. But I think there needs to be some mechanism to keep the mentally unstable from buying weapons.
    There already is one, but we cannot simply take the rights away from people without due process. If we lose presumption of innocence, which is a basic level of trust for our society, then everyone becomes suspect and then how do we proceed when everyone is suspect?
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Well now lets see...whenh he walked into the gun store was he spouting moonbat left wing hate filled rhetoric? Was he announcing his intentions? Or was he behaving in a manner that most people would consider 'normal'.

    Golly...if we knew then what we know now...IMAGINE what we could change.
    Right wing hate rhetoric is no bar to gun ownership?

    If the Army doesn't trust you with a gun, shouldn't that bar you from civilian access?
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    There already is one, but we cannot simply take the rights away from people without due process. If we lose presumption of innocence, which is a basic level of trust for our society, then everyone becomes suspect and then how do we proceed when everyone is suspect?
    Of course, the problem is that there was multiple times this man's mental state was questioned. However, he was able to purchase the gun and go on a murder spree. What about the rights and due process of the victims.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Right wing hate rhetoric is no bar to gun ownership?
    Unsubstantiated partisan rhetoric. Talk about hypocritical.

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    If the Army doesn't trust you with a gun, shouldn't that bar you from civilian access?
    He was barred for failing a drug test. He smoked weed. This does not exactly make you a threat.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I hear ya... but define "mentally unstable".

    Is a vet with PTSD mentally unstable?
    What about someone who just has occasional anxiety attacks?

    Drawing the line could be quite tricky... and there's the question of violating doctor-patient confidentiality, unless the Dr actually thinks the patient is dangerous.
    A person who displays paranoia, psychotic tendies, and in this case was rejected from the military on mental fitness, kicked out of school for being a threatening nut.... To me that should be the kinds of things that are reported on a background check.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Of course, the problem is that there was multiple times this man's mental state was questioned. However, he was able to purchase the gun and go on a murder spree. What about the rights and due process of the victims.
    Not really. His mental state was officially questioned at his school. Since he was not committed to a mental institution no reason legally exists for him not to buy a gun. The victims had no right to due process before the shooting as no crime had been committed.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    A person who displays paranoia, psychotic tendies, and in this case was rejected from the military on mental fitness, kicked out of school for being a threatening nut.... To me that should be the kinds of things that are reported on a background check.
    He was not rejected for "mental fitness" he failed the drug test.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not really. His mental state was officially questioned at his school. Since he was not committed to a mental institution no reason legally exists for him not to buy a gun. The victims had no right to due process before the shooting as no crime had been committed.
    Apparently in his eyes they had comitted a crime, and he was judge, jury, and executioner. But we are certainly worried about his due process.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    He was not rejected for "mental fitness" he failed the drug test.
    Sorry about that. I read that just now.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    I think there should be a higher barrier to purchasing a handgun than simply a valid state-issued ID card, a willingness to check a box that says you're not mentally unstable and an insta-check of a woefully incomplete database. Waiting periods, training certificates and medical certificates seem all very appropriate and necessary to me. And of course, high capacity magazines should be right out of discussion altogether.
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