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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Yes.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    No, because he had a mental record, and should not have been able to purchase a weapon.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    No, because he had a mental record, and should not have been able to purchase a weapon.

    I think that present law, to my knowlege, requires that you have been involuntarily committed for mental illness or substance abuse before you are barred from buying.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I think that present law, to my knowlege, requires that you have been involuntarily committed for mental illness or substance abuse before you are barred from buying.
    I am not sure either, but I wager you are correct.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Even though I tried, I cannot think of a mechanism that would have theoretically succeeded without sacrificing some rights that I consider to be important for people and society. This is a situation where you have to pick which is more important, knowing that whatever you choose will allow harm to come. I think not modifying our current practices will cause vastly less harm.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Even though I tried, I cannot think of a mechanism that would have theoretically succeeded without sacrificing some rights that I consider to be important for people and society. This is a situation where you have to pick which is more important, knowing that whatever you choose will allow harm to come. I think not modifying our current practices will cause vastly less harm.
    I am with you to a point. But I think there needs to be some mechanism to keep the mentally unstable from buying weapons.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I'm not asking them whether he should have been able to purchase the gun, I'm asking you, all of you. Was this the kind of customer that should be given that privilege? Don't go hiding behind the 2nd Amendment, either; this isn't about your legal opinion, this is about your judgment. Should this man have been able to buy a Glock 19 pistol in your judgment?
    based on the law yes.



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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I think that present law, to my knowlege, requires that you have been involuntarily committed for mental illness or substance abuse before you are barred from buying.
    yep

    and if we changed the law, many people would forego treatment



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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I am with you to a point. But I think there needs to be some mechanism to keep the mentally unstable from buying weapons.
    I hear ya... but define "mentally unstable".

    Is a vet with PTSD mentally unstable?
    What about someone who just has occasional anxiety attacks?

    Drawing the line could be quite tricky... and there's the question of violating doctor-patient confidentiality, unless the Dr actually thinks the patient is dangerous.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I hear ya... but define "mentally unstable".

    Is a vet with PTSD mentally unstable?
    What about someone who just has occasional anxiety attacks?

    Drawing the line could be quite tricky... and there's the question of violating doctor-patient confidentiality, unless the Dr actually thinks the patient is dangerous.
    society is full of balancing acts



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