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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

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    When you can prove to me that each and every person that military recruiters have rejected went on a shooting spree, you will have a point. Until then, you have none. Try to give us at least a LITTLE challenge on this issue.
    The point is that the burden is on the consumer to demonstrate that they should be eligible to purchase the weapon. And, the more capable the weapon the more stringent should be the standards.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I'm not asking them whether he should have been able to purchase the gun, I'm asking you, all of you. Was this the kind of customer that should be given that privilege? Don't go hiding behind the 2nd Amendment, either; this isn't about your legal opinion, this is about your judgment. Should this man have been able to buy a Glock 19 pistol in your judgment?
    Well now lets see...whenh he walked into the gun store was he spouting moonbat left wing hate filled rhetoric? Was he announcing his intentions? Or was he behaving in a manner that most people would consider 'normal'.

    Golly...if we knew then what we know now...IMAGINE what we could change.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The point is that the burden is on the consumer to demonstrate that they should be eligible to purchase the weapon. And, the more capable the weapon the more stringent should be the standards.
    Now you're just making crap up. Quote any law that says this.

    Oh, wait... you used the word "should".
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The point is that the burden is on the consumer to demonstrate that they should be eligible to purchase the weapon. And, the more capable the weapon the more stringent should be the standards.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    So here's a man who was rejected by the military; who was ejected from his community college because he frightened them, but who is completely unhindered to purchase one of the deadliest instruments available. Got it.
    None of which are crimes. Got it?
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The point is that the burden is on the consumer to demonstrate that they should be eligible to purchase the weapon. And, the more capable the weapon the more stringent should be the standards.
    Actually, the burden is on the seller, per Federal law, to demonstrate that the buyer shouldn't be eligible to purchase a gun.

    Define, "capable".
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Chappy, the basis of your argument seems to be he didn't deserve a gun because you're assuming he was turned away from the military because he either frightened the military recruiters into turning him down () or he was mentally incapable or something like that.

    If you can show why he was discharged (last time I checked, the military considers those documents confidential), you might have a case.

    A more likely point already brought up was that he was turned away because he failed a drug test...a pot head failing a drug test...hmm...

    Aside from that, if he had the proper licenses and met regulation for the gun, he should have been able to buy the gun.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    No, he shouldn't have. He was kicked out of college and denied entrance to the military due to his mental problems. He shouldn't have been sold a gun unless he was checked by a licensed psychiatrist and declared sane (for lack of a better explanation).
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Because, to me, it's so freaking obvious that he should never have been allowed to purchase a gun that I need someone intelligent to explain it to me why they think it is even conceivable that this deeply disturbed human being should ever have been allowed to possess a gun.

    So, if it was so obvious to you, why didn't YOU stop him from buying a gun?


    Oh, that would be because you knew nothing about him prior to the shooting. Neither did I. Neither did the licenced dealer who sold him the gun. NICS didn't turn up anything in his records that currently constitutes a red flag.

    This whole thread is just a "have you quit beating your wife, answer yes or no" bait thread, based on hindsight.

    Okay, let's say you have it your way. Hi-cap magazines are banned. You can't buy a gun unless a shrink certifies that you're sane.

    Oops... you know, hi-cap magazines have been banned before. Know how many I had during the last ban? 10. "Assault weapons" were "banned" once... I still had one. Yeah it was legal too.

    There remain hundreds of millions of guns in circulation. IF this guy couldn't buy one legally, he could have asked his pot dealer and gotten hooked up with an illegal gun probably within a day or two.

    More law would not have stopped him, and there's a lesson for you from this: CRAZIES will not be stopped by unenforceable laws! Neither gun laws nor gun-free zones nor laws against murder will prevent them from doing their thing. The only thing that stops them is when people on-scene take action and put them down.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Was there a reason to have prevented him from buying a gun? I criminal record maybe? No? Then how was the gun store supposed to know? Anyone advocating use of government force here is insane. What, if you don't make it through the army recruiter, you can't get a gun now? Should every little thing be databased? If you get kicked out of college, should you be subjected to loss of rights?

    No, obviously not. It's ridiculous to even suggest it. The rules and regulations necessary to have caught this guy this time would be too extreme and would infringe too heavily on an individual's right to keep and bear arms. At some point we must recognize the consequences of freedom.
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