“Real environmentalists live in cities, and they visit what's left of the wilderness as gently and respectfully as possible.” — Donna Moulton, letter to the editor, Tucson Weekly, published on August 23, 2001
Golly...if we knew then what we know now...IMAGINE what we could change.
"Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run
Mace Windu: Then our worst fears have been realized. We must move quickly if the Jedi Order is to survive.
Chappy, the basis of your argument seems to be he didn't deserve a gun because you're assuming he was turned away from the military because he either frightened the military recruiters into turning him down () or he was mentally incapable or something like that.
If you can show why he was discharged (last time I checked, the military considers those documents confidential), you might have a case.
A more likely point already brought up was that he was turned away because he failed a drug test...a pot head failing a drug test...hmm...
Aside from that, if he had the proper licenses and met regulation for the gun, he should have been able to buy the gun.
Veni. Vidi. Vici.
-Gaius Julius Caesar
The Only Thing to Fear is Fear Itself.
-Franklin Delano Roosevelt
No, he shouldn't have. He was kicked out of college and denied entrance to the military due to his mental problems. He shouldn't have been sold a gun unless he was checked by a licensed psychiatrist and declared sane (for lack of a better explanation).
If you build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day.
If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
So, if it was so obvious to you, why didn't YOU stop him from buying a gun?
Oh, that would be because you knew nothing about him prior to the shooting. Neither did I. Neither did the licenced dealer who sold him the gun. NICS didn't turn up anything in his records that currently constitutes a red flag.
This whole thread is just a "have you quit beating your wife, answer yes or no" bait thread, based on hindsight.
Okay, let's say you have it your way. Hi-cap magazines are banned. You can't buy a gun unless a shrink certifies that you're sane.
Oops... you know, hi-cap magazines have been banned before. Know how many I had during the last ban? 10. "Assault weapons" were "banned" once... I still had one. Yeah it was legal too.
There remain hundreds of millions of guns in circulation. IF this guy couldn't buy one legally, he could have asked his pot dealer and gotten hooked up with an illegal gun probably within a day or two.
More law would not have stopped him, and there's a lesson for you from this: CRAZIES will not be stopped by unenforceable laws! Neither gun laws nor gun-free zones nor laws against murder will prevent them from doing their thing. The only thing that stops them is when people on-scene take action and put them down.
Fiddling While Rome Burns
Carthago Delenda Est
"I used to roll the dice; see the fear in my enemies' eyes... listen as the crowd would sing, 'now the old king is dead, Long Live the King.'.."
Was there a reason to have prevented him from buying a gun? I criminal record maybe? No? Then how was the gun store supposed to know? Anyone advocating use of government force here is insane. What, if you don't make it through the army recruiter, you can't get a gun now? Should every little thing be databased? If you get kicked out of college, should you be subjected to loss of rights?
No, obviously not. It's ridiculous to even suggest it. The rules and regulations necessary to have caught this guy this time would be too extreme and would infringe too heavily on an individual's right to keep and bear arms. At some point we must recognize the consequences of freedom.
You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo
Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville