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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps the right to bear arms could be interpreted as the arms that were in existence when our sainted Founding Fathers placed them in the Constitution.

    Or perhaps the truth is somewhere in between where decent people who want to live in a peaceful and civilized society can work to find a balance between those extremes?
    Do you have any proof of this? Anything that says anything of the sort? Its pretty clear to anyone actually being honest with themselves that the second amendment means all arms. I'm afraid I don't see where you're getting it can be limited in any way. Please though, quote away.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    All of us live in a society with an elected government that acts on behalf of the people. It is the job of that government to try to find the careful and respectful balance between complete and total unrestricted individual rights without any borders or limits and a government which controls everything in the name of order. This is not a new or revolutionary concept.
    True, but our elected officials must make sure that what they propose does not violate the Constitution.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The problem is, who get's to draw the line? Your advocating even more governmental regulation of constitutional rights. How far is too far?
    You draw the line at people's rights. You may not infringe upon the rights of others whom have themselves not infringed upon the rights of others.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    All of our rights are not absolute and without reasonable limits that are crafted in a careful balance between the individual and society. Why should any one right be any different?
    It's not, all rights are limited by the rights of others.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by ??? View Post
    No, because he should have been diagnosed as mentally ill. This was in the beginning stages, but its a slow process, and the damned privacy laws that we have help not. His family should have acted long ago.A huge problem, the people need to have far more faith and trust in their government.
    Right now, they do not; Time may be the solution, that and a better people
    Absent that, the school or the military or some other organization should have had the authority to have him evaluated, or perhaps those who wish to buy guns should have to demonstrate that they are sane.
    Excellent points.
    Right now, a man can secure weapons by simply being not insane; it should be that the man must prove that he is sane, totally sane.
    I would not qualify, by that standard, but I am not a gun lover either.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

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    Poll: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Answer: I dunno, perhaps you should ask the sherriff who had many run ins with the dood, or the college that was scared ****less of him....






    there were several opportunities for the sherriff to prevent this fellow from obtaining a weapon.



    note items "E" and "F".....



    But I guess "E" and "F" when you have family working in the system and a sherriff with a political agenda.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Now you're just making crap up. Quote any law that says this.

    Oh, wait... you used the word "should".
    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
    It right in there ^^^^ if you read between the words.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The point is that the burden is on the consumer to demonstrate that they should be eligible to purchase the weapon. And, the more capable the weapon the more stringent should be the standards.

    demonstrate to who? anti-gun hoplophobes like yourself who think going after law abiding citizens would stop a schizophrenic nutbag from killing people?



    This is America jack, we are not about statism and tyranny which is what you propose.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Excellent points.
    Right now, a man can secure weapons by simply being not insane; it should be that the man must prove that he is sane, totally sane.
    I would not qualify, by that standard, but I am not a gun lover either.
    maybe we should impose the same restrictions on other rights-such as speach, voting and especially breeding



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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    demonstrate to who? anti-gun hoplophobes like yourself who think going after law abiding citizens would stop a schizophrenic nutbag from killing people?



    This is America jack, we are not about statism and tyranny which is what you propose.
    I own arms for many reasons-that there are people in this nation who feel as Chappy does is a strong argument for all freedom loving americans to be heavily armed with serious military suitable weapons



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