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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    those who know little about guns and gun laws tend to be the ones most demanding more 'reasonable' restrictions. Almost always, those reasonable restrictions are neither reasonable nor have any hope of restraining criminals
    Over the years, I have gotten involved in many internet message board discussions about guns and what limits should be placed upon ownership and usage. I have found that the strongest advocates for guns and gun culture almost always attempt to turn the discussion into a test on gun knowledge and the technical aspects of guns as a way of controlling the discussion and deferring the discussion from the larger issue of finding a reasonable balance between individual rights and societal rights.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Over the years, I have gotten involved in many internet message board discussions about guns and what limits should be placed upon ownership and usage. I have found that the strongest advocates for guns and gun culture almost always attempt to turn the discussion into a test on gun knowledge and the technical aspects of guns as a way of controlling the discussion and deferring the discussion from the larger issue of finding a reasonable balance between individual rights and societal rights.
    and then they try to use the 2nd Amendment to justify gun ownership. Imagine...
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Over the years, I have gotten involved in many internet message board discussions about guns and what limits should be placed upon ownership and usage. I have found that the strongest advocates for guns and gun culture almost always attempt to turn the discussion into a test on gun knowledge and the technical aspects of guns as a way of controlling the discussion and deferring the discussion from the larger issue of finding a reasonable balance between individual rights and societal rights.
    that's generally because anti gun advocates are clueless about the laws, guns etc. For example I have seen several gun haters call a glock an "assaultweapon" or confuse fully automatic weapons (which are extremely expensive and hard to obtain legally) with semi autos etc

    most gun control advocates aren't honest either-no one who actually pushes for gun control at a national level believes such laws really deter crime because no credible study supports that. their real motives are sinister



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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps the right to bear arms could be interpreted as the arms that were in existence when our sainted Founding Fathers placed them in the Constitution.

    Perhaps the right to bear arms means the sky is the limit and technology only limits the second amendment.

    Or perhaps the truth is somewhere in between where decent people who want to live in a peaceful and civilized society can work to find a balance between those extremes?
    If there weren't folks that wished to see all guns outlawed and every gun possible, confiscated; there could be a hapy medium. As long as those gun ban extremists exist in our society, those of us who treasure our right to keep and bear arms are obliged to stand our ground, when the gun ban freakos come spewing their goofy ass rhetoric.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If there weren't folks that wished to see all guns outlawed and every gun possible, confiscated; there could be a hapy medium. As long as those gun ban extremists exist in our society, those of us who treasure our right to keep and bear arms are obliged to stand our ground, when the gun ban freakos come spewing their goofy ass rhetoric.
    Again, that is not my position. I am not one who wants to ban guns our of our society. As long as we paint this issue in extremes, this will continue to happen again and again. All I advocate is that we as a people reach some balance between unlimited rights of an individual and total control by society through government. I think that is both reasonable and in keeping with every other right we have.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Over the years, I have gotten involved in many internet message board discussions about guns and what limits should be placed upon ownership and usage. I have found that the strongest advocates for guns and gun culture almost always attempt to turn the discussion into a test on gun knowledge and the technical aspects of guns as a way of controlling the discussion and deferring the discussion from the larger issue of finding a reasonable balance between individual rights and societal rights.
    What I find interesting is those who oppose or want stronger restrictions regarding gun ownership tend to envoke culture/society reasons and ignore what our laws and Constitution states. The Constitution seems to talk about individual rights rather than society. They also tend to use a major tragic event to use as an excuse.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    What I find interesting is those who oppose or want stronger restrictions regarding gun ownership tend to envoke culture/society reasons and ignore what our laws and Constitution states. The Constitution seems to talk about individual rights rather than society. They also tend to use a major tragic event to use as an excuse.
    All of us live in a society with an elected government that acts on behalf of the people. It is the job of that government to try to find the careful and respectful balance between complete and total unrestricted individual rights without any borders or limits and a government which controls everything in the name of order. This is not a new or revolutionary concept.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again, that is not my position. I am not one who wants to ban guns our of our society. As long as we paint this issue in extremes, this will continue to happen again and again. All I advocate is that we as a people reach some balance between unlimited rights of an individual and total control by society through government. I think that is both reasonable and in keeping with every other right we have.
    The problem is, who get's to draw the line? Your advocating even more governmental regulation of constitutional rights. How far is too far?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again, that is not my position. I am not one who wants to ban guns our of our society. As long as we paint this issue in extremes, this will continue to happen again and again. All I advocate is that we as a people reach some balance between unlimited rights of an individual and total control by society through government. I think that is both reasonable and in keeping with every other right we have.
    I'd sooner read this than the vitriol and hatred and insults from the tea bagging conservatives.
    I guess balance is not in their vocabulary.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I'd sooner read this than the vitriol and hatred and insults from the tea bagging conservatives.
    I guess balance is not in their vocabulary.
    Balance is in your vocabulary?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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