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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so the first amendment shouldn't apply to electronic means of communication?

    the right is not limited by the state of the art. giving criminals and the government a monopoly on deadly force is a recipe for disaster
    If that were my position, you would be perhaps correct. But it is not my position.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps the right to bear arms could be interpreted as the arms that were in existence when our sainted Founding Fathers placed them in the Constitution.

    Perhaps the right to bear arms means the sky is the limit and technology only limits the second amendment.

    Or perhaps the truth is somewhere in between where decent people who want to live in a peaceful and civilized society can work to find a balance between those extremes?
    I's say we DO live in a peaceful civilized society.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps the right to bear arms could be interpreted as the arms that were in existence when our sainted Founding Fathers placed them in the Constitution.
    If you apply that logic to the 2nd amendment then lets apply it to the first amendment and other rights too. No computers,no Television, no mass printing devices, I think the catholic was the only mega church back then, no colored magazines, no photographs, no massive media organization, no telephones, no cars, no other communication devices. So by your they didn't have it back then logic the government should be able to tap your phones without a warrant, use scanners,x-ray machines and etc to see what you have in your property without a warrant, and regulate what can and can not be said if it not printed on a 18th century printing press or printed on the paper of that time period.






    I seriously doubt the anti-2nd amendment loons would want people to have canons, bombs, rockets, grenades or any other weapons that were around during or before the constitution was written.
    Perhaps the right to bear arms means the sky is the limit and technology only limits the second amendment.
    Or perhaps the truth is somewhere in between where decent people who want to live in a peaceful and civilized society can work to find a balance between those extremes?
    Many of the reasons the founding forefathers created the 2nd amendment is for the people to defend themselves, to defend against an invasion to defend against a tyrannical government, to hunt and many other reasons. Those things do not change just because technology has. We do live in a peaceful society.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    I's say we DO live in a peaceful civilized society.
    true-Mexico has stringent gun control and it is very tranquil



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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Oh I don't know maybe because he was crazy?
    Was he even certified to be crazy. Has he been evaluated by a quack to be nuts?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Let's start with answering the question: Should the AZ shooter have been able to purchase a high capacity 30-round magazine for his Glock 19?

    My answer is no. There's no public need for such things; there should be laws banning stuff like that. As many as ten people shot or killed on Saturday may have been saved by that alone. What say you?
    I say that with less restrictive gun law more people would have been carrying firearms at the event. Possibly eliminating the threat before he injured or killed 10 people. (and saving us the cost of a trial)
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you apply that logic to the 2nd amendment then lets apply it to the first amendment and other rights too. No computers,no Television, no mass printing devices, I think the catholic was the only mega church back then, no colored magazines, no photographs, no massive media organization, no telephones, no cars, no other communication devices. So by your they didn't have it back then logic the government should be able to tap your phones without a warrant, use scanners,x-ray machines and etc to see what you have in your property without a warrant, and regulate what can and can not be said if it not printed on a 18th century printing press or printed on the paper of that time period.






    I seriously doubt the anti-2nd amendment loons would want people to have canons, bombs, rockets, grenades or any other weapons that were around during or before the constitution was written.


    Many of the reasons the founding forefathers created the 2nd amendment is for the people to defend themselves, to defend against an invasion to defend against a tyrannical government, to hunt and many other reasons. Those things do not change just because technology has. We do live in a peaceful society.
    Again, that is not my position and you are fighting a strawman.

    All of our rights are not absolute and without reasonable limits that are crafted in a careful balance between the individual and society. Why should any one right be any different?
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Oh I don't know maybe because he was crazy?
    When did you make this observation?
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Here's a question...

    Is it possible to fake crazy, if you know enough about what the doctors who dignose crazy look for?

    If so, to what point?

    What would it take to be discovered?

    Could it be discovered?
    Education.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again, that is not my position and you are fighting a strawman.

    All of our rights are not absolute and without reasonable limits that are crafted in a careful balance between the individual and society. Why should any one right be any different?
    those who know little about guns and gun laws tend to be the ones most demanding more 'reasonable' restrictions. Almost always, those reasonable restrictions are neither reasonable nor have any hope of restraining criminals



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