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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It seems not all gun-rights advocates think a ban on high capacity magazines would conflict with second Amendment rights:


    "A leading gun-rights advocate says there is no constitutional barrier to restricting the sale of high capacity gun magazines such as the one used by accused Tucson shooter Jared Loughner and that such proposals are justified to prevent "looney tunes" from committing more gun massacres.

    Robert A. Levy, who served as co-counsel in the landmark Supreme Court case that established a Second Amendment right to bear arms, said there was no reason the court's decision in that case should apply to the purchase of high-capacity gun magazines.

    "I don't see any constitutional bar to regulating high-capacity magazines," Levy said in an interview with NBC. "Justice [Antonin] Scalia made it quite clear some regulations are permitted. The Second Amendment is not absolute."

    The comments by Levy, chairman of the board of the libertarian Cato Institute, come as Democratic Rep. Carolyn McCarthy of New York is preparing to circulate a bill tomorrow that would ban the sale or transfer of high-capacity magazines. Supporters took Levy's comments as a sign that at least some gun-rights advocates might be open to the idea."
    First Read - Gun-rights advocate: High-capacity magazine restrictions 'makes sense'
    silly thinking. no state or local government should be allowed to arm its agents with any gun that is normally issued with a magazine capacity higher than allowed other civilians.



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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You really didn't answer my question about your claim, "How does using a 15 round magazine give the shooter a "higher probability of reloading and engaging more targets?"
    I didn't say that he had a higher probabilty. But, hey, don't let my actual comments stand in your way of mucking up the conversation.





    [b]Statistics and history show us that we have more handgun deaths than other countries with more strict gun control.[/b[ What rights of American citizens are violated to ban high capacity magazines? Does the ban against anti-aircraft weapons present a violation of the rights of American citizens? What about cop-killing bullets, or plastic guns?
    By the same token, history and statistics have shown us that gun crimes went up after gun bans were put into place in those countries.

    Does the ban against anti-aircraft weapons present a violation of the rights of American citizens?
    No, it doesn't. That argument is as stupid now, as it was the first time it was used.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Let's start with answering the question: Should the AZ shooter have been able to purchase a high capacity 30-round magazine for his Glock 19?

    My answer is no. There's no public need for such things; there should be laws banning stuff like that. As many as ten people shot or killed on Saturday may have been saved by that alone. What say you?
    I say that the local law enforcement should have done the job that it was charged with and took this guy off the street, to begin with.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    nor does it answer how ristricting clips to 15 or 10 stops anything from happening.
    all that does is hurt serious competitive shooters. In 1993 I shot for EAA's "Gold team". The magazines for my 9X21 Open gun cost 19 dollars a piece. after the moronic clinton gun laws, the price skyrocketed to 95 dollars a piece.



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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Simple question, right?
    Yes, because he is not to blame, it's vitriol coming from Sarah Palin. How could anyone contain themselves after seeing cross hairs on our states. Just like the misguided criminals who flew into the buildings on 911. They didn't have a choice and couldn't help themselves because of racist US Policy.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    tell me what your magical fix is? and where and why would it work?
    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Let's start with answering the question: Should the AZ shooter have been able to purchase a high capacity 30-round magazine for his Glock 19?

    My answer is no. There's no public need for such things; there should be laws banning stuff like that. As many as ten people shot or killed on Saturday may have been saved by that alone. What say you?
    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Ok Ill play the dumb question game, Already answered this but Ill do it again. I may not be up on the latest points of the story so I have to have a disclaimer. If what i know is true so far about AZ gun laws and him.

    My answer is YES

    also just to comment on you ridiculous ASSumption "As many as ten people shot or killed on Saturday may have been saved by that alone." this is PURE fantasy. This is called appeal to emotion even though there is NO supporting evidence what so ever. NONE
    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Soon there will be an accounting of each bullet fired by the AZ shooter and we will then know who was hit by bullets 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30 and 31. We will know their names and their fates. And your Yes vote will be one more straw that assures that the next shooter perhaps in your town will have a high capacity magazine so he can fire bullets 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30 and 31 without re-loading and we will know his victims names and fates, too, and hope that yours is not among them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    LMAO!!!!! hahahahahahahahah
    Like I said Im an adult, i dont buy into your scare tatics that rank up there with the boogie man

    what if he just bought 2 guns? or got clips on the black market or off a friend, or stole them off a relitive etc etc etc
    what if he couldnt get a gun and drove his moms explorer into the crowd?
    what if he was a good shot and had a gun that held 10 bullets and one in the chamber and pulled off 10 head or kill shots?
    is the fantasy what if game fun LMAO

    again when you have some solid a hardcore let me know

    So again how would you magically fix this so called problem with something that is proven to work?

    The problem was HIM, not the gun, not the clip LMAO
    HE was the problem.


    so im still waiting
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    And there it is, the slippery slope argument: We mustn't make our laws more stringent even when it is very, very clear that we have been too lax in our oversight because to do so opens the door to more and more reasonable handgun regulation.
    Today it's a 33 round magazine is considered high capacity and tomorrow you people will be claiming 15 rounds is too much. A magazine doesn't take long to eject and load into a firearm and considering the fact the nutjob planned this out he could have just as easily bought another gun or two if he was really worried running out of ammo and reloading or he could have practiced ejecting and loading a magazine into a gun.

    Hence, America must continue to suffer these assaults on our senses and insults to our intelligence because to acknowledge them, to act on them is to finally come to terms with our handgun obsession. And, for many Americans, they're just not ready to do that, some likely never will be.
    I would rather the people have the guns instead of just the government and criminals. The government and criminals are the last two groups of people who should be trusted with guns around an unarmed population. Americans realize that government should not be fully trusted and only a brain dead moron would give up his rights in exchange for security.So we will have firearms for a long time in this country. If you do not like firearms then move to a Eurotrash country that doesn't believe that the people have a right to defend themselves against criminals and a corrupt government.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Today it's a 33 round magazine is considered high capacity and tomorrow you people will be claiming 15 rounds is too much. A magazine doesn't take long to eject and load into a firearm and considering the fact the nutjob planned this out he could have just as easily bought another gun or two if he was really worried running out of ammo and reloading or he could have practiced ejecting and loading a magazine into a gun.



    I would rather the people have the guns instead of just the government and criminals. The government and criminals are the last two groups of people who should be trusted with guns around an unarmed population. Americans realize that government should not be fully trusted and only a brain dead moron would give up his rights in exchange for security.So we will have firearms for a long time in this country. If you do not like firearms then move to a Eurotrash country that doesn't believe that the people have a right to defend themselves against criminals and a corrupt government.
    Perhaps the right to bear arms could be interpreted as the arms that were in existence when our sainted Founding Fathers placed them in the Constitution.

    Perhaps the right to bear arms means the sky is the limit and technology only limits the second amendment.

    Or perhaps the truth is somewhere in between where decent people who want to live in a peaceful and civilized society can work to find a balance between those extremes?
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps the right to bear arms could be interpreted as the arms that were in existence when our sainted Founding Fathers placed them in the Constitution.

    Perhaps the right to bear arms means the sky is the limit and technology only limits the second amendment.

    Or perhaps the truth is somewhere in between where decent people who want to live in a peaceful and civilized society can work to find a balance between those extremes?
    so the first amendment shouldn't apply to electronic means of communication?

    the right is not limited by the state of the art. giving criminals and the government a monopoly on deadly force is a recipe for disaster



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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Yes, he wasn't a felon, so I don't see why he shouldn't've been able to.
    Oh I don't know maybe because he was crazy?

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