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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Soon there will be an accounting of each bullet fired by the AZ shooter and we will then know who was hit by bullets 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30 and 31. We will know their names and their fates. And your Yes vote will be one more straw that assures that the next shooter perhaps in your town will have a high capacity magazine so he can fire bullets 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30 and 31 without re-loading and we will know his victims names and fates, too, and hope that yours is not among them.
    This may shock you, but I would far rather take the miniscule chance that someone will start killing people randomly with a large mag he purchased legally, than have any further restrictions on the purchase of firearms, ammunition, and the related materials and paraphernalia.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    It seems not all gun-rights advocates think a ban on high capacity magazines would conflict with second Amendment rights:


    "A leading gun-rights advocate says there is no constitutional barrier to restricting the sale of high capacity gun magazines such as the one used by accused Tucson shooter Jared Loughner and that such proposals are justified to prevent "looney tunes" from committing more gun massacres.

    Robert A. Levy, who served as co-counsel in the landmark Supreme Court case that established a Second Amendment right to bear arms, said there was no reason the court's decision in that case should apply to the purchase of high-capacity gun magazines.

    "I don't see any constitutional bar to regulating high-capacity magazines," Levy said in an interview with NBC. "Justice [Antonin] Scalia made it quite clear some regulations are permitted. The Second Amendment is not absolute."

    The comments by Levy, chairman of the board of the libertarian Cato Institute, come as Democratic Rep. Carolyn McCarthy of New York is preparing to circulate a bill tomorrow that would ban the sale or transfer of high-capacity magazines. Supporters took Levy's comments as a sign that at least some gun-rights advocates might be open to the idea."
    First Read - Gun-rights advocate: High-capacity magazine restrictions 'makes sense'
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    I would like to change my answer to no. Turns out he was arrested for drug possession, something that would show up on a federal background check, but those charges weren't kept on his record. He also failed drug tests which kept him out of the Army. But in our society drugs are illegal but permissible. Even Obama's administration has decided not to enforce some federal drug laws, especially in states that have legalized forms of drug use. So no, he shouldn't have been allowed to buy a gun and wouldn't have been allowed to if the system had worked and local law enforcement had done their job.
    What system? Who didnt do their job?
    Is there more that Im missing that isnt in your post?
    Laws are different state to state on guns and federal are for the country.
    As far as I know if his drug possesion wasnt a felony it wouldnt be on a federal check.
    Also failed drug tests arent on those check either that I know of?

    So unless we are missing information getting caught with weed or failing a drug test for weed would not stop you from buying a gun so nothing failed.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Slippery Slope. No gun restrictions.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It seems not all gun-rights advocates think a ban on high capacity magazines would conflict with second Amendment rights:


    "A leading gun-rights advocate says there is no constitutional barrier to restricting the sale of high capacity gun magazines such as the one used by accused Tucson shooter Jared Loughner and that such proposals are justified to prevent "looney tunes" from committing more gun massacres.

    Robert A. Levy, who served as co-counsel in the landmark Supreme Court case that established a Second Amendment right to bear arms, said there was no reason the court's decision in that case should apply to the purchase of high-capacity gun magazines.

    "I don't see any constitutional bar to regulating high-capacity magazines," Levy said in an interview with NBC. "Justice [Antonin] Scalia made it quite clear some regulations are permitted. The Second Amendment is not absolute."

    The comments by Levy, chairman of the board of the libertarian Cato Institute, come as Democratic Rep. Carolyn McCarthy of New York is preparing to circulate a bill tomorrow that would ban the sale or transfer of high-capacity magazines. Supporters took Levy's comments as a sign that at least some gun-rights advocates might be open to the idea."
    First Read - Gun-rights advocate: High-capacity magazine restrictions 'makes sense'
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I don't really know of this guy or care what this he thinks.
    nor does it answer how ristricting clips to 15 or 10 stops anything from happening.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I don't really know of this guy or care what this he thinks.
    Yes, we know. You have already made your position shockingly clear ~ "There are too many as it is"
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, we know. You have already made your position shockingly clear ~ "There are too many as it is"
    Most people who have any level of agreement with the 2nd amendment, or at least the "right to keep and bear arms" (unrelated to any other aspects interpretation) part, would agree that there are too many restrictions in many areas.

    In my mind, restrictions should only be based on the person, not on the type of weapon - if someone is capable of properly caring for and handling an M-60, they should be allowed to purchase it.

    Edit: Let me rephrase the above:
    In my mind, restrictions should mainly be only based on the person, not on over the type of weapon - if someone is capable of properly caring for and handling an M-60, they should be allowed to purchase it.

    Banning weapon types, specific weapons, weapon parts…just no.

    That said, some levels of weaponry should require that you demonstrate a level of knowledge and skill in weaponry of that type that would prevent the majority of negative events related to your owning said weapon – such as someone stealing it, you accidently shooting someone with it, etc.

    But perhaps I'm not making sense...
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I didn't say our mass killings with handguns were more than the rest of the world combined. I said no other country had more than us.

    Here is just a partial listing over the last 12 years ~
    "-- In April 1999, two teenage schoolboys shot and killed 12 schoolmates and a teacher at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, before killing themselves.

    -- In July 1999, a stock exchange trader in Atlanta, Georgia, killed 12 people including his wife and two children before taking his own life.

    -- In September 1999, a gunman opened fire at a prayer service in Fort Worth, Texas, killing six people before committing suicide.

    -- In October 2002, a series of sniper-style shootings occurred in Washington DC, leaving 10 dead.

    -- In August 2003 in Chicago, a laid-off worker shot and killed six of his former workmates.

    -- In November 2004 in Birchwood, Wisconsin, a hunter killed six other hunters and wounded two others after an argument with them.

    -- In March 2005, a man opened fire at a church service in Brookfield, Wisconsin, killing seven people.

    -- In October 2006, a truck driver killed five schoolgirls and seriously wounded six others in a school in Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania before taking his own life.

    -- In April 2007, a student shot and killed 32 people and wounded 15 others at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia, before shooting himself, making it the deadliest mass shooting in the United States after 2000.

    -- In December 2007, a 20-year-old man killed nine people and injured five others in a shopping center in Omaha, Nebraska.

    -- In December 2007, a woman and her boyfriend shot dead six members of her family on Christmas Eve in Carnation, Washington.

    -- In February 2008, a shooter who is still at large tied up and shot six women at a suburban clothing store in Chicago, leaving five of them dead and the remaining one injured.

    -- In February 2008, a man opened fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University in DeKalb, Illinois, killing five students and wounding 16 others before laying down his weapon and surrendering.

    -- In September 2008, a mentally ill man who was released from jail one month earlier shot eight people in Alger, Washington, leaving six of them dead and the rest two wounded.

    -- In December 2008, a man dressed in a Santa Claus suit opened fire at a family Christmas party in Covina, California, then set fire on the house and killed himself. Police later found nine people dead in the debris of the house.

    -- In March 2009, a 28-year-old laid-off worker opened fire while driving a car through several towns in Alabama, killing 10 people.

    -- In March 2009, a heavily-armed gunman shot dead eight people, many of them elderly and sick people, in a private-owned nursing home in North Carolina.

    -- In March 2009, six people were shot dead in a high-grade apartment building in Santa Clara, California.

    -- In April 2009, a man shot dead 13 people at a civic center in Binghamton, New York.

    -- In November 2009, U.S. army psychologist Major Nidal Hasan opened fire at a military base in Fort Hood, Texas, leaving 13 dead and 42 others wounded.

    -- In January 2011, a gunman opened fire at a public gathering outside a grocery in Tuscon, Arizona, killing six people including a nine-year-old girl and wounding at least 12 others. Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was severely injured with a gunshot to the head."
    Backgrounder: Main mass shootings in U.S. since 1999
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Yes ?????
    And with enough bullets to murdrer many , many people...
    My first vote was "other", as I recall.
    The question is this..
    What is more important? ..A man's right to life or another's right to own a weapon?
    Another person's rights do not trump my rights.
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