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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Unfortunately they had to wait until he had fired off thirty plus one-in-the-gun rounds because of the high capacity magazine he used. Why does America allow such things?
    Man Im glad he was allowed to have a gun, just think if this looney toon didnt and decided to drive an SUV through the crowd they would have never have stopped him. BAN ALL SUVs!!!!!

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Unfortunately they had to wait until he had fired off thirty plus one-in-the-gun rounds because of the high capacity magazine he used. Why does America allow such things?


    Actually. Because we are a free society....


    Seems the sherriff and the college are refusing to realease files they had on this guy. Perhaps we should look there before we go on hoplophobic tantrums.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    The signals that the the AZ shooter had serious mental issues that were ignored, and it happens too often these days.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I never said there were none when the high capacity magazines were banned. Have you seen the statements by the police that less people would have been shot before he was disarmed had the shooter been using a standard size magazine?
    It's easy to use hindsight, but there's no way to prove that he couldn't have inserted a fresh magazine, locked, cocked and rocked.

    It's all about reaction time. With a 30 round mag, the defenders had more reaction time than they would if he would have been firing a 15 round mag. based on that fact--and yes, it's a fact--there's no guarantee that they would have been able to to stop him from emptying, or nearly emptying the second 15 round mag. He scored 20 hits out of 30 rounds. That's not exactly expert shooting, considering the range and the fact that he was receiving return fire, but it ain't "maggie's drawers", either.

    So, let's say that he scored the same percentage with a 15 round mag. He would have scored 10 hits. With a higher probability of reloading and engaging more targets.

    It's highly possible that he didn't practice shooting, unlocking, reloading and recommencing fire, because he had a 30 round mag and didn't really think he would empty that mag, much less reload a second. Had he two 15 round mags and he was prepped to reload, he could have pulled it off.

    Based on my own firearms experience, I doubt it would have made much of a difference.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Unfortunately they had to wait until he had fired off thirty plus one-in-the-gun rounds because of the high capacity magazine he used. Why does America allow such things?
    So, if had only had a 15 round mag and shot ten people, instead of 20 people, you would be cool with it?
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, if had only had a 15 round mag and shot ten people, instead of 20 people, you would be cool with it?
    Why don't you ask the additional 10 people who he was able to shoot because he had a 30 round mag, or at least their next of kin?
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, if had only had a 15 round mag and shot ten people, instead of 20 people, you would be cool with it?
    Gun grabbers work in baby steps. So I am not too sure it actually matters to him.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Why don't you ask the additional 10 people or their surviving relatives he was able to shoot because he had a 30 round mag?
    He may had a extra gun or used better aim. Plus there is no guarantee if he would have been stopped while quickly removing the empty magazine and sticking in a full magazine.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    … BAN ALL FERTILIZER!!! …
    We actually control access to fertilizer more than we do to handguns.

    Logical people understand that these instruments in the wrong hands can cause enormous harm, indeed were made to do enormous harm, and hence should be carefully constrained. Today the constraints are laughable.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's easy to use hindsight, but there's no way to prove that he couldn't have inserted a fresh magazine, locked, cocked and rocked.

    It's all about reaction time. With a 30 round mag, the defenders had more reaction time than they would if he would have been firing a 15 round mag. based on that fact--and yes, it's a fact--there's no guarantee that they would have been able to to stop him from emptying, or nearly emptying the second 15 round mag. He scored 20 hits out of 30 rounds. That's not exactly expert shooting, considering the range and the fact that he was receiving return fire, but it ain't "maggie's drawers", either.

    So, let's say that he scored the same percentage with a 15 round mag. He would have scored 10 hits. With a higher probability of reloading and engaging more targets.

    It's highly possible that he didn't practice shooting, unlocking, reloading and recommencing fire, because he had a 30 round mag and didn't really think he would empty that mag, much less reload a second. Had he two 15 round mags and he was prepped to reload, he could have pulled it off.

    Based on my own firearms experience, I doubt it would have made much of a difference.
    How does using a 15 round magazine give the shooter a "higher probability of reloading and engaging more targets?" And what is about using a 15 round clip would lessen the possibilities of the shooter being tackled before he could reload?

    If we could reduce the number of hand gun deaths, would it be worth the effort? What hardship does it present to average citizens to not have weaponry that is superior to standard issue for police officers?
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