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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Most country's including your own are experiencing ballooning gun crime despite stricter laws. They are increasing in frequency, the US is about the same with some varying from state to state.
    Yet, taking my country as an example, since strict gun laws were introduced in 1996, we've only had the one mass shooting at Melbourne Uni, and while there is a rise in gun related crime, we still only have 10% (per capita) of the amount of gun related homicides America does.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Yet, taking my country as an example, since strict gun laws were introduced in 1996, we've only had the one mass shooting at Melbourne Uni, and while there is a rise in gun related crime, we still only have 10% (per capita) of the amount of gun related homicides America does.
    Yet, in Australia, a woman is three times more likely to be raped, than in America. That's better, how?
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Yet, taking my country as an example, since strict gun laws were introduced in 1996, we've only had the one mass shooting at Melbourne Uni, and while there is a rise in gun related crime, we still only have 10% (per capita) of the amount of gun related homicides America does.
    sorry spud

    # Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent;

    # Assaults are up 8.6 percent;

    # Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent;

    # In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent;

    # In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been dropping steadily;

    # There has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries and assaults on the elderly.


    LOL yes please I hope america follows Australia

    EDIT: this was only 4 years after the new gun laws I wonder what it is now?
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yet, in Australia, a woman is three times more likely to be raped, than in America. That's better, how?
    That'd be a good point, if it was relevant.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    That'd be a good point, if it was relevant.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    That'd be a good point, if it was relevant.
    The relevancy, is that guns don't create crime, nor criminals. A criminal is going to commit crime, whether he has access to a gun, or not.

    I'm sorry, but Australia isn't a good example of how gun bans work.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Single events in different countries do not compare with the 20 mass shootings per year clocked up in the USA.
    20 per year! That's news to the people of this country. You mite want to put up some proof. And the USA Today "opinion piece" is not a good source as they do not state where or how they came up with that ridicules number.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Yet, taking my country as an example, since strict gun laws were introduced in 1996, we've only had the one mass shooting at Melbourne Uni, and while there is a rise in gun related crime, we still only have 10% (per capita) of the amount of gun related homicides America does.
    You also have a population of about 22.5 million. The US? 300 million. Makes a bit of a difference don't you think?
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Oh really?

    Monash University in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia on October 21, 2002.
    November 26–28, 2008 - 2008 Mumbai attacks in India.
    September 4, 2004: Beslan school hostage crisis in Russia.
    C. W. Jefferys Collegiate Institute shooting Toronto, Ontario, Canada May 23 2007.
    Dunblane massacre Dunblane, United Kingdom March 13 1996 18.
    Erfurt massacre Erfurt, Germany April 26 2002 17.
    Kauhajoki school shooting Kauhajoki, Finland September 23 2008
    Azerbaijan State Oil Academy shooting Baku, Azerbaijan April 30, 2009

    No it is a problem world wide even in country's with very restrictive gun laws.
    I didn't say our mass killings with handguns were more than the rest of the world combined. I said no other country had more than us.

    Here is just a partial listing over the last 12 years ~
    "-- In April 1999, two teenage schoolboys shot and killed 12 schoolmates and a teacher at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, before killing themselves.

    -- In July 1999, a stock exchange trader in Atlanta, Georgia, killed 12 people including his wife and two children before taking his own life.

    -- In September 1999, a gunman opened fire at a prayer service in Fort Worth, Texas, killing six people before committing suicide.

    -- In October 2002, a series of sniper-style shootings occurred in Washington DC, leaving 10 dead.

    -- In August 2003 in Chicago, a laid-off worker shot and killed six of his former workmates.

    -- In November 2004 in Birchwood, Wisconsin, a hunter killed six other hunters and wounded two others after an argument with them.

    -- In March 2005, a man opened fire at a church service in Brookfield, Wisconsin, killing seven people.

    -- In October 2006, a truck driver killed five schoolgirls and seriously wounded six others in a school in Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania before taking his own life.

    -- In April 2007, a student shot and killed 32 people and wounded 15 others at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia, before shooting himself, making it the deadliest mass shooting in the United States after 2000.

    -- In December 2007, a 20-year-old man killed nine people and injured five others in a shopping center in Omaha, Nebraska.

    -- In December 2007, a woman and her boyfriend shot dead six members of her family on Christmas Eve in Carnation, Washington.

    -- In February 2008, a shooter who is still at large tied up and shot six women at a suburban clothing store in Chicago, leaving five of them dead and the remaining one injured.

    -- In February 2008, a man opened fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University in DeKalb, Illinois, killing five students and wounding 16 others before laying down his weapon and surrendering.

    -- In September 2008, a mentally ill man who was released from jail one month earlier shot eight people in Alger, Washington, leaving six of them dead and the rest two wounded.

    -- In December 2008, a man dressed in a Santa Claus suit opened fire at a family Christmas party in Covina, California, then set fire on the house and killed himself. Police later found nine people dead in the debris of the house.

    -- In March 2009, a 28-year-old laid-off worker opened fire while driving a car through several towns in Alabama, killing 10 people.

    -- In March 2009, a heavily-armed gunman shot dead eight people, many of them elderly and sick people, in a private-owned nursing home in North Carolina.

    -- In March 2009, six people were shot dead in a high-grade apartment building in Santa Clara, California.

    -- In April 2009, a man shot dead 13 people at a civic center in Binghamton, New York.

    -- In November 2009, U.S. army psychologist Major Nidal Hasan opened fire at a military base in Fort Hood, Texas, leaving 13 dead and 42 others wounded.

    -- In January 2011, a gunman opened fire at a public gathering outside a grocery in Tuscon, Arizona, killing six people including a nine-year-old girl and wounding at least 12 others. Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was severely injured with a gunshot to the head."
    Backgrounder: Main mass shootings in U.S. since 1999
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I didn't say our mass killings with handguns were more than the rest of the world combined. I said no other country had more than us.
    I never said anything about "combined?" Niether did you.

    Actually you said...

    No other country has such a problem - Catawba

    You were wrong then as I have shown, and you still are.

    PS You also said nothing about hand guns.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 01-12-11 at 12:04 AM.
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