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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's pointless if it's not possible. The guy failed a drug test with the military, should he have been mentally evaluated? In the end, there's a lot of if's and but's coming from hindsight. But as the events turned, there was no major provocation or warrant to exclude him from practicing his rights.
    I agree with you re: the military dismissal, if that's all there was too it, but I'm not sure what basis you have to make a conclusion like the rest of your post. If he was dismissed from a community college because students and teachers felt unsafe, or fired from a job specifically because someone feared what he might do or that he was unstable, that too me sounds like a good enough reason to require some sort of extra precaution before a gun license would be issued. I don't know how these types of things might be notated or investigated in the future, but I'm not willing to simply dismiss it because it might take longer than two seconds to think about it.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by ??? View Post
    I agree with you re: the military dismissal, if that's all there was too it, but I'm not sure what basis you have to make a conclusion like the rest of your post. If he was dismissed from a community college because students and teachers felt unsafe, or fired from a job specifically because someone feared what he might do or that he was unstable, that too me sounds like a good enough reason to require some sort of extra precaution before a gun license would be issued. I don't know how these types of things might be notated or investigated in the future, but I'm not willing to simply dismiss it because it might take longer than two seconds to think about it.
    So if some stranger or X employer wants to get revenge what have you. All they need to do is say you scare people and need an "evaluation?" You realize how this can never work correct?

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So if some stranger or X employer wants to get revenge what have you. All they need to do is say you scare people and need an "evaluation?"
    Not necessarily saying they should then have to undergo a medical evaluation. However, the firing is probably something worth investigating if that person then seeks a gun license.

    I'm not sure where you pulled the "stranger" part from in my post.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Of course he shouldn't have been sold a weapon, a more important and less obvious question is "Was there a way this man could have been identified as a threat before the sale?" And I don't mean like in the gun store before, I much going back much further.

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I'm not asking them whether he should have been able to purchase the gun, I'm asking you, all of you. Was this the kind of customer that should be given that privilege? Don't go hiding behind the 2nd Amendment, either; this isn't about your legal opinion, this is about your judgment. Should this man have been able to buy a Glock 19 pistol in your judgment?
    So far... if you look at the poll, the majority says yes. I hope you are willing to accept it. He has the right to buy a gun plain and simple.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by ??? View Post
    Not necessarily saying they should then have to undergo a medical evaluation. However, the firing is probably something worth investigating if that person then seeks a gun license.

    I'm not sure where you pulled the "stranger" part from in my post.
    So you want to look into people's employment records and look for firings in order to get a gun? What else should be searched in order to exercise a right?
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    I think it's bat**** insane in itself to sell a gun to someone with a history of mental illness, though I am not sure if the AZ shooter was ever professionally diagnosed. I don't understand the American love of guns, and never will... but I don't judge either. It is what it is. But I really think that things could be better as the rate of gun violence is . Not perfect, but better.

    So what does a person have to do to get a gun in the US? What are the requirements?
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    I voted Yes on the poll.

    As things stood at the time he purchased a gun, yes, he should have been able to purchase it.

    Hypothetical and/or unconstitutional laws suggested after the fact have no bearing on that.

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    Possibly, his friends and family should have persuaded him to get mental help. Then he might not have even reached this point.

    But other than that, I don’t see any reasonable way to have pre-empted this action, unless there were more people with firearms around at the time who could have stopped him either through threats of or use of force.
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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

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    Re: Should the AZ shooter have been able to buy a gun?

    No, this again illustrates the need for gun control revision. It makes no sense to me to allow a known unstable person to purchase gear that most police are not even issued.
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