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Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

Does the media owe the TEA Party an apology for their assumptions regarding Loughner?


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Absolutely not! Does the Tea Party owe the POTUS an appology for the Nazi, Hitler signs they displayed?

You mean the Obama with a hitler mustache sign being held by a guy in the crowd who then went around the corner and handed out Democrat party pamphlets? Come on. Besides, Bush haters had far worse. Google "offensive anti-bush signs". While you're at it, take a look at the school administrator in Florida who is being suspended for sending out an email calling all TEA partiers bigoted racists.
 
So the question stands, does the mainstream media owe the TEA Party a national and public apology?

SEVERAL apologies, actually, going back a couple of years now... but we ain't holding our breath waiting.
 
This is just another beautiful example of how the victim-mentality has infested the "conservative" movement. Seriously.

People are so interested in pretending to be victims of terrible injustices that they are now calling for one amorphous non-being to apologize to another amorphous non-being for pure nonsense.

This kind of absurdity is why modern conservatism has jumped the shark.
 
Does Fox News owe an apology for the general misinformation they throw around every day?

Is him being a "pothead" relevant? Or are you trying to imply some liberal connection?

Also, Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto aren't exactly compatible ideologies. He listed Animal Farm as well (Orwell is pretty popular with conservatives and the book its self was an attack on communism). I'm not saying he was part of the Tea Party movement, there really isn't any reason to believe he is but no one owes anyone anything. In your attempt to show how "the media" is making it political you are yourself trying to politicize it.

Ok - the book thing might seem odd. But I've read them all :shrug: (ok - that doesn't help anyone)

I think WHY you read something and what you do with what you've learned is far more important than THAT you read it.
 
All 3 of you fall prey to the same faulty line of thought. Asptd might get a pass as he may have been making a point other than what his words said, but the problem with all these arguments is they assume that some group is a collective when in fact none of the groups are. The media is made up of many independent sources, as is the Tea Party and as are Libbos.

Going back to just the OP, I have seen "the media" report that Loughner was a liberal, a conservative, probably a libertarian type, and a complete wacko with no basis in politics. Some are talking about how politicians should tone down rhetoric, some are reporting on those talks(and it is in discussion, so it is news), some are attacking those who suggest that toning down the rhetoric is good. Some are suggesting possible connections with conservative rhetoric, some are suggesting there is no connection, and some are reporting on the conjecture of both.

So, with all that in mind, what do you think "the media" did wrong, and what should they do?

That's right. I was making a point.

As wrongheaded and stupid as Krugman, Clyburn, Brady et. al. are, they certainly have the God given right to spew their stupidity as they choose.

Personally, I'm glad to see them exhibit their stupidity for all of the country to see.
 
So, let me get this straight.

The whole time leading up to election day this time around, every time something someone attacked the Tea Party movement (or the movement embarrassed itself) we were told that it wasn't a party. We were told (paraphrasing of course) that it was a loosely confederated bunch of grassroots organizations whose chief goal was power to the people and smaller government, not a party.

Now, we're seriously asking ourselves if the media owes the Tea Party an apology? A strawman organization we were repeatedly told by members of the movement didn't exist?

Oh, okay.

**** off.

The Tea Party, all through the campaign, was described by its members as a loosely organized group with no nationally recognized over arching body or figure head that was a political movement not a technical "Political Party" as the term is used or viewed today.

Something doesn't have to be a Political Party to be a group or have a group identity, even if its a loose one.

That said, to the topic...

Absolutely not. The Media does what the media does. If individuals that are part of the Tea Party don't realize this by now then they're either ignorant or fooling themselves. There's no reason to expect or suggest someone owes them an apology because it shouldn't matter either way to them, if for no other reason than it'd be hollow.

A large amount of the media and many on the left have long disliked the Tea Party and various conservatives. In the wake of this tragedy, rather than actually deal with the tragedy, they have sullied it by using it as a lifeless political tool to bash their enemies with regardless of the relevance, seeking to play on the emotions of average people. If people are shocked by this it is sadly only because we've deluded ourselves to thinking that possibly some people have a bit more decency than that. It seems that's not the case.

It is what it is, and expecting an "apology" or suggesting its owed is ridiculous. The only thing to do is combat the disgusting behavior with actual facts, logic, and common sense and go from there.
 
The Tea Party, all through the campaign, was described by its members as a loosely organized group with no nationally recognized over arching body or figure head that was a political movement not a technical "Political Party" as the term is used or viewed today.

Something doesn't have to be a Political Party to be a group or have a group identity, even if its a loose one.

That said, to the topic...

Absolutely not. The Media does what the media does. If individuals that are part of the Tea Party don't realize this by now then they're either ignorant or fooling themselves. There's no reason to expect or suggest someone owes them an apology because it shouldn't matter either way to them, if for no other reason than it'd be hollow.

A large amount of the media and many on the left have long disliked the Tea Party and various conservatives. In the wake of this tragedy, rather than actually deal with the tragedy, they have sullied it by using it as a lifeless political tool to bash their enemies with regardless of the relevance, seeking to play on the emotions of average people. If people are shocked by this it is sadly only because we've deluded ourselves to thinking that possibly some people have a bit more decency than that. It seems that's not the case.

It is what it is, and expecting an "apology" or suggesting its owed is ridiculous. The only thing to do is combat the disgusting behavior with actual facts, logic, and common sense and go from there.

:bravo::bravo::bravo:
 
Well, of course, you wouldn't think so. ;)

Damn skippy. They pointed to their decentralization as a way of deflecting responsibility or embarrassment for the things done by other members of the movement, and that's fine, but that means there's no one thing or organization or leadership or whatever to apologize to.
 
SEVERAL apologies, actually, going back a couple of years now... but we ain't holding our breath waiting.

I'd just like to know what the tea parties have ever done that makes them such a target for the hatred from the left. The same with the hatred Sarah Palin and her family has had to endure.
 
Damn skippy. They pointed to their decentralization as a way of deflecting responsibility or embarrassment for the things done by other members of the movement, and that's fine, but that means there's no one thing or organization or leadership or whatever to apologize to.

I think the suggestion that since the "tea party", as a whole...IE the movement as a whole, the membership as the whole...were wrongly accused as being that which fueled this attack that the movement, the people, as a whole should be apologized to. Not that some individual figure head should get apologized to.

Like, if Bush got killed and people were saying the Anti-War movement spurred the atmosphere to allow it...and it came out it was some nutjob that thought Milee Cyrus wanted him to do it so they could be together...that people suggested the Anti-War movement should be apologized to. Not suggesting that say...you need to go find Cindy Sheehan specifically and say sorry...but basically a public push by media to say "We jumped to conclussions and wrongfully slandered a large portion of the American public, for that we were wrong".

I don't think that's necessary, or even reasonable to expect or think is "owed", but you're twisting what is being said simply to fit your means of an argument rather than dealing with what people are actually saying based off what they've always said. You conviently, during the election, twisted what people said to suggest the Tea Party was one thing and are not twisting it again to manufacture inconsistency, when in reality there's always been consistancy and its been you and how you want to portray it that's changed.
 
I think the suggestion that since the "tea party", as a whole...IE the movement as a whole, the membership as the whole...were wrongly accused as being that which fueled this attack that the movement, the people, as a whole should be apologized to. Not that some individual figure head should get apologized to.

Like, if Bush got killed and people were saying the Anti-War movement spurred the atmosphere to allow it...and it came out it was some nutjob that thought Milee Cyrus wanted him to do it so they could be together...that people suggested the Anti-War movement should be apologized to. Not suggesting that say...you need to go find Cindy Sheehan specifically and say sorry...but basically a public push by media to say "We jumped to conclussions and wrongfully slandered a large portion of the American public, for that we were wrong".

I don't think that's necessary, or even reasonable to expect or think is "owed", but you're twisting what is being said simply to fit your means of an argument rather than dealing with what people are actually saying based off what they've always said. You conviently, during the election, twisted what people said to suggest the Tea Party was one thing and are not twisting it again to manufacture inconsistency, when in reality there's always been consistancy and its been you and how you want to portray it that's changed.

seriously? Miley Cyrus plays the role of Jodie Foster in your analogy? Come on. At least Jodie Foster has talent. :2razz:
 
Damn skippy. They pointed to their decentralization as a way of deflecting responsibility or embarrassment for the things done by other members of the movement, and that's fine, but that means there's no one thing or organization or leadership or whatever to apologize to.
Honestly, I could give a rat's ass if the media apologized or not. I think the Obama admin owes an apology more than the media does. I just have to wonder why nobody's calling for the media to take responsibility for the violence it incites. Like when the controversy came up about the pastor in Florida who was going to burn the Koran. The main stream media couldn't wait to cover it and pretty much offer every excuse in advance for any violence that would occur because of it. If the media wants to call out Sarah Palin or whoever that's fine, but I get to call them out on their hypocrisy.

BTW, I find your avatar to be violent and an incitement to violence. LOL
 
Ok - the book thing might seem odd. But I've read them all :shrug: (ok - that doesn't help anyone)

I think WHY you read something and what you do with what you've learned is far more important than THAT you read it.

I agree. Also, do we have any reason to believe that this sick individual has ever even read or owned these books? It seems that once he went "weird" some years back was he even capable of sitting down and reading a book? If a person is a paranoid schitzophrenic would he be capable of reading Mein Kamph? Just asking.. I'm not real familiar with the desease.
 
Honestly if anyone should offer an apology it should be that stupid sheriff who opened his mouth to begin with. If I remember correctly (babysitting, taking my brother to that terrible Nicolas Cage movie, and football might have affected my timeline), but it was with him that most of this started.
 
This is just another beautiful example of how the victim-mentality has infested the "conservative" movement. Seriously.

People are so interested in pretending to be victims of terrible injustices that they are now calling for one amorphous non-being to apologize to another amorphous non-being for pure nonsense.

This kind of absurdity is why modern conservatism has jumped the shark.

Who is asking for an apology? I thought this was just a hypothetical question on the internet. Are there tea party orgs. calling for an apology?
 
the media owe me an apology for sensationalizing everything to the point that I have become numb to it, and for forcing me to dig to get real news.
 
the media owe me an apology for sensationalizing everything to the point that I have become numb to it, and for forcing me to dig to get real news.

Now if there is a necessary apology out there by the media, this is it.
 
the media owe me an apology for sensationalizing everything to the point that I have become numb to it, and for forcing me to dig to get real news.

Seriously, what happened to news broadcast that went like this

"This is what happened today, and this is all the facts that we know"
The end.
Make up your own damned mind on what to think. I could care less what some "expert" the news channel brings on has to think.
 
Honestly if anyone should offer an apology it should be that stupid sheriff who opened his mouth to begin with. If I remember correctly (babysitting, taking my brother to that terrible Nicolas Cage movie, and football might have affected my timeline), but it was with him that most of this started.
No, the press would have gone there anyway, but I agree the sheriff is stupid.
 
Honestly if anyone should offer an apology it should be that stupid sheriff who opened his mouth to begin with. If I remember correctly (babysitting, taking my brother to that terrible Nicolas Cage movie, and football might have affected my timeline), but it was with him that most of this started.

The sheriff and Paul Krugman were the first out of the shoot. You're correct. That doesn't mean the media had to go with their speculations, but news is news I guess.
 
Seriously, what happened to news broadcast that went like this

"This is what happened today, and this is all the facts that we know"
The end.
Make up your own damned mind on what to think. I could care less what some "expert" the news channel brings on has to think.

sigh. the market study discovered that their target audience preferred infotainment.
 
Seriously, what happened to news broadcast that went like this

"This is what happened today, and this is all the facts that we know"
The end.
Make up your own damned mind on what to think. I could care less what some "expert" the news channel brings on has to think.

That's what the sheriff should have done.
The media came out and said this is what the sheriff had to say. So technically, I guess they were reporting the facts.
 
The sheriff and Paul Krugman were the first out of the shoot. You're correct. That doesn't mean the media had to go with their speculations, but news is news I guess.

from what I can see, everybody is shooting. doesn't matter who's first. when johnny smeared poop on his clothes I didn't do it too.

"oh yeah, well that blog last year had an insinuation by a guy who seems like a [insert ideology here] saying something that sounded like a sorta-violent-sounding metaphor." all of it is asinine, all of it.
 
Seriously, what happened to news broadcast that went like this

"This is what happened today, and this is all the facts that we know"
The end.
When was the news ever like this? Certainly not since Vietnam.
 
haymarket said:
They are reaping what they have sown. Their chickens have come home to roost. They are getting what they deserve.

I think you owe the DP community an apology for blatantly demonstrating you never learned that two wrongs don't make a right.
 
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