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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Jared Loughner was a pothead loner whose reading list included the communist manifesto and mein kampf. While critically injuring the Democrat congresswoman, he also killed a Republican appointed judge. Predictably, the media immediately associated him with the TEA party, asked if Palin was responsible for his violence, and ignored years of Democrat political statements that were just as violent if not more than anything any TEA party person has ever said. Remember Obama saying "if they bring a knife, we'll bring a gun"? Remember Obama's pastor?

    How about this, remember Obama saying we needed to not jump to conclusions when a muslim shot several people at Ft Hood?

    Yet the media jumped on the story and had made all the assumptions before the blood on the ground dried. They lumped Loughner in with me and every other constitutionalist TEA Party member.

    So the question stands, does the mainstream media owe the TEA Party a national and public apology?
    The Tea Party may or may not be getting a disproportionate share of blame, but they've hardly been scientific about how they've distributed blame.

    In the flexible language of political symbolism, the risk of aggressive rhetoric is that when actual aggression occurs commentators will draw a connection between the two.

    The only people who deserve to be treated with moderation and restraint are the people who comport themselves with moderation and restraint.

    Granted, ideally even people who don't behave moderately should be treated politely (it is a value of spiritually enlightened religions), but you can't expect a business which relies on drama to increase it profitability (aka, the media) to live up to spiritually enlightened ideals.
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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    Ugh.. I misvoted. Is there any way to change it? HANGING CHAD!

    But no.. the media doesn't owe the tea party an apology. In a way thats like saying the kitchen stove owes the dining room table an invitation to the big party.

    I mean, who is the media? Or the Tea party?

    The media is far too broad an institution. There have been many in the media who have acted irresponsibly during this tragedy and others have been objective. The media's own treatment of the issue is in itself news, and some in the media are reporting it.

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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Jared Loughner was a pothead loner whose reading list included the communist manifesto and mein kampf. While critically injuring the Democrat congresswoman, he also killed a Republican appointed judge. Predictably, the media immediately associated him with the TEA party, asked if Palin was responsible for his violence, and ignored years of Democrat political statements that were just as violent if not more than anything any TEA party person has ever said. Remember Obama saying "if they bring a knife, we'll bring a gun"? Remember Obama's pastor?

    How about this, remember Obama saying we needed to not jump to conclusions when a muslim shot several people at Ft Hood?

    Yet the media jumped on the story and had made all the assumptions before the blood on the ground dried. They lumped Loughner in with me and every other constitutionalist TEA Party member.

    So the question stands, does the mainstream media owe the TEA Party a national and public apology?
    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Absolutely not! Does the Tea Party owe the POTUS an appology for the Nazi, Hitler signs they displayed?
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do Libbos owe Bush an apology for burning him in effigy?
    All 3 of you fall prey to the same faulty line of thought. Asptd might get a pass as he may have been making a point other than what his words said, but the problem with all these arguments is they assume that some group is a collective when in fact none of the groups are. The media is made up of many independent sources, as is the Tea Party and as are Libbos.

    Going back to just the OP, I have seen "the media" report that Loughner was a liberal, a conservative, probably a libertarian type, and a complete wacko with no basis in politics. Some are talking about how politicians should tone down rhetoric, some are reporting on those talks(and it is in discussion, so it is news), some are attacking those who suggest that toning down the rhetoric is good. Some are suggesting possible connections with conservative rhetoric, some are suggesting there is no connection, and some are reporting on the conjecture of both.

    So, with all that in mind, what do you think "the media" did wrong, and what should they do?
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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean_H View Post
    Also, Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto aren't exactly compatible ideologies. He listed Animal Farm as well (Orwell is pretty popular with conservatives and the book its self was an attack on communism). I'm not saying he was part of the Tea Party movement, there really isn't any reason to believe he is but no one owes anyone anything. In your attempt to show how "the media" is making it political you are yourself trying to politicize it.
    I personally find it quite hilarious that some conservatives admire Orwell, an open Democratic Socialist.

    Anyway, he was obviously a complete nutter, since he apparently endorsed a view that advocates a dismantling of social/economic classes, and one that advocates the supreme rule of the corporatists. The common denominator in everything I've seen of him is that he's a) insane, and b) authoritarian.

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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    My reading list includes The Communist Manifesto. Haven't gotten around to Mein Kumpf yet, but I will eventually. Even if you disagree with the Communist Manifesto, you can't deny its political/historical significance. It was one of the most important works of the 19th century. Does this make me an evil terrorist Nazi?

    I never jumped to any conclusions about the Tea Party or Sarah Palin. I might be personally opposed to rhetoric on both sides, but that doesn't influence my judgement in this case. She had nothing to do with it.
    He didn't just read those books, he listed them among his favorites. And I never said you jumped to any conclusions. This is about the media.
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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Absolutely not! Does the Tea Party owe the POTUS an appology for the Nazi, Hitler signs they displayed?
    You mean the Obama with a hitler mustache sign being held by a guy in the crowd who then went around the corner and handed out Democrat party pamphlets? Come on. Besides, Bush haters had far worse. Google "offensive anti-bush signs". While you're at it, take a look at the school administrator in Florida who is being suspended for sending out an email calling all TEA partiers bigoted racists.
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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    So the question stands, does the mainstream media owe the TEA Party a national and public apology?
    SEVERAL apologies, actually, going back a couple of years now... but we ain't holding our breath waiting.

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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    This is just another beautiful example of how the victim-mentality has infested the "conservative" movement. Seriously.

    People are so interested in pretending to be victims of terrible injustices that they are now calling for one amorphous non-being to apologize to another amorphous non-being for pure nonsense.

    This kind of absurdity is why modern conservatism has jumped the shark.
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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean_H View Post
    Does Fox News owe an apology for the general misinformation they throw around every day?

    Is him being a "pothead" relevant? Or are you trying to imply some liberal connection?

    Also, Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto aren't exactly compatible ideologies. He listed Animal Farm as well (Orwell is pretty popular with conservatives and the book its self was an attack on communism). I'm not saying he was part of the Tea Party movement, there really isn't any reason to believe he is but no one owes anyone anything. In your attempt to show how "the media" is making it political you are yourself trying to politicize it.
    Ok - the book thing might seem odd. But I've read them all (ok - that doesn't help anyone)

    I think WHY you read something and what you do with what you've learned is far more important than THAT you read it.
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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    All 3 of you fall prey to the same faulty line of thought. Asptd might get a pass as he may have been making a point other than what his words said, but the problem with all these arguments is they assume that some group is a collective when in fact none of the groups are. The media is made up of many independent sources, as is the Tea Party and as are Libbos.

    Going back to just the OP, I have seen "the media" report that Loughner was a liberal, a conservative, probably a libertarian type, and a complete wacko with no basis in politics. Some are talking about how politicians should tone down rhetoric, some are reporting on those talks(and it is in discussion, so it is news), some are attacking those who suggest that toning down the rhetoric is good. Some are suggesting possible connections with conservative rhetoric, some are suggesting there is no connection, and some are reporting on the conjecture of both.

    So, with all that in mind, what do you think "the media" did wrong, and what should they do?
    That's right. I was making a point.

    As wrongheaded and stupid as Krugman, Clyburn, Brady et. al. are, they certainly have the God given right to spew their stupidity as they choose.

    Personally, I'm glad to see them exhibit their stupidity for all of the country to see.
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