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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    The media is supposed controversial stuff. That's their job.
    Well, isn't it a politicians job to "fire up their base" and to try to defeat their political opponents? At least politicians don't claim to be unbiased, unlike news agencies, which claim they are, then show every day that they are not. It's just hypocritical that members of the media call out a group for supposedly inciting violence, when the media is not above doing it themselves.



    Against who, a generic silhouette? Take it up with 90s.
    Sorry, it's been argued here that crosshairs, in and of themselves, incite violence.
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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    But you did not say that in the original comment I quoted. If that's what you meant then you need to clarify, and not use absolutes.
    I probably should have worded it better.

    And yes, some people on the left are doing that, and some people on the right are blaming the left. Stupidity is abound on both sides.
    People on the right are blaming people on the left for the shooting? I haven't seen that. I've seen some on the right counter the suggestion that the shooter was a TEA partyer buy showing that the opposite could in fact be true. I have not seen anyone on the right blame some left wing web site or graphic for causing the shooting.
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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well, isn't it a politicians job to "fire up their base" and to try to defeat their political opponents? At least politicians don't claim to be unbiased, unlike news agencies, which claim they are, then show every day that they are not. It's just hypocritical that members of the media call out a group for supposedly inciting violence, when the media is not above doing it themselves.
    You are mistaking doing something to incite others with informing the public about something someone else is doing. Even if what that someone else is doing serves only to incite others, reporting the facts about what they're doing is nowhere near the same thing as the act itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Sorry, it's been argued here that crosshairs, in and of themselves, incite violence.
    That argument hasn't been made by me, so by continuing to press me on it you succeed only in making yourself look foolish.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You are mistaking doing something to incite others with informing the public about something someone else is doing. Even if what that someone else is doing serves only to incite others, reporting the facts about what they're doing is nowhere near the same thing as the act itself.
    Yeah, 'cause stating the facts is all they do.


    That argument hasn't been made by me, so by continuing to press me on it you succeed only in making yourself look foolish.
    Don't get defensive. I'm just using you as an object lesson. I'm the one who's arguing that an image of crosshairs is no BFD and anyone who claims that it is, is making a ridiculous argument.
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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    SEVERAL apologies, actually, going back a couple of years now... but we ain't holding our breath waiting.


    I once had to apologize to a CNN correspondant back in 91.... I made my distaste for the media while I was doing my job very very well known, back then....
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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yeah, 'cause stating the facts is all they do.
    Way to move the goal-posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Don't get defensive. I'm just using you as an object lesson.
    Then say something like, "Better be careful, or the PC Police will be after you for that avi next."

    The way you phrased it made it seem like you were picking at me for my avi because I in any way expressed a view which held that what Palin did was in any way dangerous.
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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    The bloggers and other commentators who jumped to connect Loughner to the Tea Party should probably apologize for jumping to conclusions, but I don't see that as a huge sin, given the circumstances. Anybody who believes any of them did it just to have a personal "gotcha" moment has been drinking divisive Koolaid, IMO.

    At the end of the day, both parties have been using divisive rhetoric that greatly damages this country by distracting from the important issues and making compromise and bipartisanship more difficult. Even today, the issue is becoming more about which party was wrong rather than what, if anything, can be done so that something like this doesn't happen again. The anger is understandable. The stakes of partisan politics went up with the shooting, even if the shooting itself was completely unrelated to partisan politics. Nobody likes to be unjustly accused of causing the death of another. But at the same time, nobody likes to see one of their number nearly killed off under circumstances that almost inevitably point to something another side was warned about and did anyway. Both parties need to calm down, recognize that partisanship has gotten way out of control and infected both sides of the aisle, and stop accusing and implying that the other party is dishonest/unamerican/whathaveyou and act like adults for once.
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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Seriously, what happened to news broadcast that went like this

    "This is what happened today, and this is all the facts that we know"
    The end.
    Make up your own damned mind on what to think. I could care less what some "expert" the news channel brings on has to think.
    I'm thinking those broadcasts never really existed.
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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You are mistaking doing something to incite others with informing the public about something someone else is doing. Even if what that someone else is doing serves only to incite others, reporting the facts about what they're doing is nowhere near the same thing as the act itself.



    That argument hasn't been made by me, so by continuing to press me on it you succeed only in making yourself look foolish.
    If the person doing the reporting of what someone else is doing is blowing things out of proportion and adding their own artisitc license to the report, than he is just as guilty of doing the same thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Does the media owe the TEA party an apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If the person doing the reporting of what someone else is doing is blowing things out of proportion and adding their own artisitc license to the report, than he is just as guilty of doing the same thing.
    I know that sounds good to you, but the problem is that "blowing things out of proportion" and "adding their own artistic license" are both highly subjective judgments. You and I, for example, could look at the same news clip and I argue two totally different interpretations of how objective the clip is. Furthermore, you could pick your interpretation and I could sit there and argue the exact opposite.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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