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Thread: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You Star really put it perfectly.

    It really depends on time, location, and what you mean as "pushy".

    For example, in the modern day America, I would consider fundamentalist Christians that constantly inform you how sinful you are and urge you to save your soul despite you in no way asking for such information to be "pushy". In contrast, in modern Iran and some other Muslim dominated states, its potentially a death sentence...literally...for converting from Islam to Christianity. I don't call that "pushy". That's like calling someone stabbing you in the face a "pin prick".

    Many religions at some point in their history have violent or forceful spreading of their religious beliefs, usually when people are using those beliefs for their own ends. However, its difficult to talk about all of history as if it is one giant and equally relevant entity.
    Good post.

    I am with YourStar here where variables play an important role. Islam's first 300 years were much, much different than Christianity's. Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire. Islam was already in northern Africa and parts of India. And the capital had been moved multiple times (Mecca, Damascus, Baghdad, Cairo).

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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Historically? The Crusades and Inquisition are often mentioned, but less commonly spoken of is the Caliphate, the Ottoman Empire, the Muslim invasion of Eastern Europe, the Moors invasion of Spain.

    Modern Christianity does not expand by the sword, or execute "heretics".

    Modern Islam does.

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    I was going to reply with something along the same lines. So many people who bring up Christian atrocities like the Inquisition, the Crusades, or the Salem witch trials conviently forget to mention how Islam spread from one tiny corner of Arabia to a world wide religion. People neglect to mention that Muhammad wasn't just a prophet, he was also a military leader who conquered the Arabian penisula, and his followers would continue to expand his empire after his death into North Africa, Persia, the Balkans, and Spain.

    Christianity was spread by the sword and Islam was spread by the sword. The main difference is that Christianity got out of the holy war business a long time ago, while significant portions of the Islamic world still embrace the concept.
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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Historically? The Crusades and Inquisition are often mentioned, but less commonly spoken of is the Caliphate, the Ottoman Empire, the Muslim invasion of Eastern Europe, the Moors invasion of Spain.

    Modern Christianity does not expand by the sword, or execute "heretics".

    Modern Islam does.

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    A little bit. The era of modern states diminishes the ability of any religion to spread through violence, so there isn't anything happening that compares with the Moorish conquest of Spain or the Crusades.
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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Was it really Christianity that spread religion by the sword? Or the Roman Empire using religion as an excuse to conquer lands? It was Roman practice to conquer people and convert them to believing in the Roman gods. I would say the blame is with the Roman Empire and not Christianity. The early Christians were heavily persecuted and murdered for their faith, they didn't spread their faith by the sword until the state adopted Christianity as its religion (and thus corrupting it theologically). Muhammad spread Islam by the sword while he was living and such practices still go on today. The Crusades didn't reflect Biblical principals, but rather the will of the Roman Empire.
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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Historically? The Crusades and Inquisition are often mentioned, but less commonly spoken of is the Caliphate, the Ottoman Empire, the Muslim invasion of Eastern Europe, the Moors invasion of Spain.

    Modern Christianity does not expand by the sword, or execute "heretics".

    Modern Islam does.

    /thread
    This post sounds honest if you ignore South America and Africa where Christianity was indeed spread by the sword or if you'd like, the rifle. Up until 50 years ago most African countries bellow the Sahara had Christianity imposed on them by colonial powers. South America has the biggest number of Christians because millions of people were terrorized into Christianity. Ask people why Mayan culture has been lost in El Salvador and they'll tell you it's because the white Catholic population made their culture a death sentence.
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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    The answer to this question depends on who are are where you are from and how you were raised amount a number of there factors.

    Islam is more demanding of it's followers as far as adhering to the Cults percepts and standards, and hands out punishment that is unwavering it's it's brutality and severity. It is pretty damn unforgiving and sets murder in the name of Allah as path to forgiveness and the afterlife.

    As we all know Christianity is very forgiving and sets up a harmless past to forgiveness.

    We also have to consider where you live, because the Middle East is Islamic for the most part and places like Italy and the Southern U.S. are very Religious in their own ways, so the attitudes can vary much based on your location.

    It's not generally a had and fast answer to this question but then Islam is a Cult not a religion.

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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Depends on what area you live in, depends on what time period your talking about. There are alot of variables
    Exactly.

    In my personal life: Christianity - other than Islamists being involved in political-related issues they really have no direct effect on my life.

    But if we were talking business-issues I'd say it's a draw - they both push their religious agendas - rally in mass, lead boycotts, bans - and the more extreme lead riots and religious warfare.

    Christianity is more deeply rooted in our government and overall values and society, though.
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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam? When I say "pushy" I mean which religion did more to spread itself by any means necessary and which one had more oppressive governments?

    For me, it's Christianity, seeing as how it was spread from Europe around the world and was used as a reason to screw over the indigenous peoples of the world.
    Definitely... Muslims have no Hell to threaten converts with, don't have to be baptized, no inquisition or anti medicine history, no baby killing God, and don't believe in miracles.

    Those who say Muslims are more pushy are politically correct lemmings.

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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Good post.

    I am with YourStar here where variables play an important role. Islam's first 300 years were much, much different than Christianity's. Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire. Islam was already in northern Africa and parts of India. And the capital had been moved multiple times (Mecca, Damascus, Baghdad, Cairo).
    But if you want to talk about the first 300 years of each faith, Christianity spread peacefully through missionaries throughout the Roman Empire, despite a brutal persecution at times while Islam spread almost entirely through the sword for the first three hundred years of its existance...
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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    A little bit. The era of modern states diminishes the ability of any religion to spread through violence, so there isn't anything happening that compares with the Moorish conquest of Spain or the Crusades.
    Why do so many forget that the Crusades were a RESPONSE to centuries of Islamic aggression?
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