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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The Crusades were not a series of wars of aggression, they were a RESPONSE to centuries of Islamic aggression. You DO know that the areas that Islam conquered in the 7th century were largely CHRISTIAN at the time of Conquest and were part of the Roman Empire, and had been for CENTURIES. You ARE aware of this, right? I presume you are also aware of the fact that in the late 11th century, the Great Seljuk Empire was marching through Asia Minor and threatening the capital of the Roman Empire, namely Constantinople? I presume you know these things.
    I guess according to you the Albigensian Crusade was also a response to Islamic 'aggression'.

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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I was actually messing around because I knew somebody would take it seriously and get offended... but your response is funny, because I said nothing incorrect.

    As for history...

    Christianity is older, and it was aggressively spread... Have you ever heard of the Inquisition?
    The Inquisition (are you refering to the Spanish Inquisition) was employed LONG AFTER the founding of Islam. The initial spread of Christianity was largely peaceful. The spread through the Roman Empire was in spite of severe persecution. The conversion of Armenia and Axum were peaceful. The initial spread of Islam, on the other hand, was very violent and bloody. Muhammad even had to use war and violence to take Mecca.

    As for the Spanish Inquisition, you DO know that it was under the control of the Spanish monarch, NOT the pope and that it was primarily used to secure control of the state by the monarchs. Furthermore, the most common punishment meted out was reconciliation, and death and more severe punishments were comparatively rare. Furthermore, it was used far more against Protestants in the mid and late 16th century than it was used against Jews and Moriscos ... in fact, Moriscos, in particularly, were able to BUY their way out of punishment, though many of them deserved it as they were well known to have AIDED Ottoman and Maghrib raiding parties along the Spanish coast all through the 16th century.


    Did you know Pope Urban II of the Catholic Church lead the first crusade, and it's known and accepted that the Holy Roman Empire and the Catholic Church waged the crusades, not the Muslims?
    Did you know that the First Crusade was in response to HUNDREDS of years of aggression by the Islamic world? That Pope Urban was responding specfically to a plea from the emperor of the Roman Empire in Constantinople begging for assistance due to the aggression of the Great Seljuq Empire?

    No, didn't suppose you were knowledgable of these historical facts... typical anti-Christian/Catholic whitewash of history...


    I don't think I said anything historically incorrect...
    No, you just don't understand history IN DEPTH...
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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    As for the Spanish Inquisition, you DO know that it was under the control of the Spanish monarch, NOT the pope and that it was primarily used to secure control of the state by the monarchs.
    This is factually incorrect:

    Pope Sixtus IV - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    On November 1, 1478, Pope Sixtus IV published the Papal bull Exigit Sinceras Devotionis Affectus, through which the Spanish Inquisition was established in the Kingdom of Castile.

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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    This is factually incorrect:

    Pope Sixtus IV - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    On November 1, 1478, Pope Sixtus IV published the Papal bull Exigit Sinceras Devotionis Affectus, through which the Spanish Inquisition was established in the Kingdom of Castile.
    His statement is correct...

    Alonso de Hojeda, a Dominican friar from Seville, convinced Queen Isabel of the existence of Crypto-Judaism among Andalusian conversos during her stay in Seville between 1477 and 1478.[7] A report, produced by Pedro González de Mendoza, Archbishop of Seville, and by the Segovian Dominican Tomás de Torquemada, corroborated this assertion.

    The monarchs decided to introduce the Inquisition to Castile to discover and punish crypto-Jews, and requested the Pope's assent. Ferdinand II of Aragon pressured Pope Sixtus IV to agree to an Inquisition controlled by the monarchy by threatening to withdraw military support at a time when the Turks were a threat to Rome. The Pope issued a bull to stop the Inquisition but was pressured into withdrawing it. On November 1, 1478, Pope Sixtus IV published the Papal bull, Exigit Sinceras Devotionis Affectus, through which the Inquisition was established in the Kingdom of Castile. The bull also gave the monarchs exclusive authority to name the inquisitors. The first two inquisitors, Miguel de Morillo and Juan de San Martín were not named, however, until two years later, on September 27, 1481 in Medina del Campo.
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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    This is factually incorrect:

    Pope Sixtus IV - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    On November 1, 1478, Pope Sixtus IV published the Papal bull Exigit Sinceras Devotionis Affectus, through which the Spanish Inquisition was established in the Kingdom of Castile.
    He established it. but at the request of the Spanish monarchs, who controlld it for centuries. You also did not address the point that the most common punishment was reconciliation and that it was more commonly used against Protestants in the reign of Philip III than against Moriscos (who DESERVED to be prosecuted as they were known to aid and abet Ottoman and North African coastal raiders).
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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam? When I say "pushy" I mean which religion did more to spread itself by any means necessary and which one had more oppressive governments?

    For me, it's Christianity, seeing as how it was spread from Europe around the world and was used as a reason to screw over the indigenous peoples of the world.
    That's an easy one, "I KILL YOU.........." That damn Evil Christianity with its hate filled doctrine of Peace, Love, and Brotherhood, its fooled so many people around the world, it began with One self professed Son of God and twelve close friends, and has been so Evil that over 1/3 the worlds population have freely chosen to be duped into accepting the outrageous mindset of peace, love and brotherhood. Clearly, they are stupid gullible people, with the only group of people in the world that can be numbered among ALL THE SMART PEOPLE are the 2.37% of the world's population that don't fall for the brained washed doctrine of accepting the existence of a divine creator, who call themselves Atheists because they don't believe in nut'n but the worship of their own mind.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_religions

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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The Inquisition (are you refering to the Spanish Inquisition) was employed LONG AFTER the founding of Islam. The initial spread of Christianity was largely peaceful. The spread through the Roman Empire was in spite of severe persecution. The conversion of Armenia and Axum were peaceful. The initial spread of Islam, on the other hand, was very violent and bloody. Muhammad even had to use war and violence to take Mecca.

    As for the Spanish Inquisition, you DO know that it was under the control of the Spanish monarch, NOT the pope and that it was primarily used to secure control of the state by the monarchs. Furthermore, the most common punishment meted out was reconciliation, and death and more severe punishments were comparatively rare. Furthermore, it was used far more against Protestants in the mid and late 16th century than it was used against Jews and Moriscos ... in fact, Moriscos, in particularly, were able to BUY their way out of punishment, though many of them deserved it as they were well known to have AIDED Ottoman and Maghrib raiding parties along the Spanish coast all through the 16th century.




    Did you know that the First Crusade was in response to HUNDREDS of years of aggression by the Islamic world? That Pope Urban was responding specfically to a plea from the emperor of the Roman Empire in Constantinople begging for assistance due to the aggression of the Great Seljuq Empire?

    No, didn't suppose you were knowledgable of these historical facts... typical anti-Christian/Catholic whitewash of history...




    No, you just don't understand history IN DEPTH...
    Did you know that there were more Inquisitions than just the Spanish??? Are you telling me that the Catholic Church didn't persecute Pagans in the early days of Christianity?

    Early Christians even persecuted their own and labeled them Christian heretics... Practicing the religion "incorrectly" or with too much Pagan influence, was unacceptable.

    After Constantine I converted to Christianity, it became the dominant religion in the Roman Empire. Already beginning under his reign, Christian heretics were persecuted; The most extreme case (as far as historians know) was the burning of Priscillian and six of his followers at the stake in 383.[2] In the view of many historians, the Constantinian shift turned Christianity from a persecuted into a persecuting religion.[3] Beginning in the late 4th century A.D. also the ancient pagan religions were actively suppressed.
    I'd say Constantine's Inquisition didn't work out very well since most modern Christians still worship Jesus, and celebrate Pagan holidays for his b-day and resurrection..

    Christian debate on persecution and toleration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I would say that the initial spread of Christianity wasn't peaceful... no religion is free of violence. You just want to argue that Christianity was nothing but peaceful and cherry pick the facts because you are a Christian and want to believe you have one up on Islam. If you want to belong to the least violent religion, then you should convert to Buddhism.

    And as for the Crusades... You're not addressing the fact that the Crusades were also waged against Jews, Pagans, Christian-Russian Orthodox and other followers of Byzantine version of Christianity as well. The crusades were violent and that is where the myth of the Jewish blood libel came from. Christian persecution of Jews continued long after that and continued to perpetuate the myth of blood libel, and then blamed them for the black plague...

    Christianity isn't blameless... so even if you argue that the Crusades were just a response to Muslim violence and nothing else (not spreading Christianity, not keeping the Holy Lands under Christian control), you are overlooking the facts yourself. How violent were the Muslims being and how violent was the Christian response? And why was the violence inflicted by the Christians, not only directed at Muslims but at other faiths as well?

    No matter how you roll the dice, the Christians still come out as acting violently during the Crusades...

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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Did you know that there were more Inquisitions than just the Spanish??? Are you telling me that the Catholic Church didn't persecute Pagans in the early days of Christianity?

    Early Christians even persecuted their own and labeled them Christian heretics... Practicing the religion "incorrectly" or with too much Pagan influence, was unacceptable.



    I'd say Constantine's Inquisition didn't work out very well since most modern Christians still worship Jesus, and celebrate Pagan holidays for his b-day and resurrection..

    Christian debate on persecution and toleration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I would say that the initial spread of Christianity wasn't peaceful... no religion is free of violence. You just want to argue that Christianity was nothing but peaceful and cherry pick the facts because you are a Christian and want to believe you have one up on Islam. If you want to belong to the least violent religion, then you should convert to Buddhism.

    And as for the Crusades... You're not addressing the fact that the Crusades were also waged against Jews, Pagans, Christian-Russian Orthodox and other followers of Byzantine version of Christianity as well. The crusades were violent and that is where the myth of the Jewish blood libel came from. Christian persecution of Jews continued long after that and continued to perpetuate the myth of blood libel, and then blamed them for the black plague...

    Christianity isn't blameless... so even if you argue that the Crusades were just a response to Muslim violence and nothing else (not spreading Christianity, not keeping the Holy Lands under Christian control), you are overlooking the facts yourself. How violent were the Muslims being and how violent was the Christian response? And why was the violence inflicted by the Christians, not only directed at Muslims but at other faiths as well?

    No matter how you roll the dice, the Christians still come out as acting violently during the Crusades...
    Funny how you cut out this line....

    Early Christianity was a minority Religion in the Roman Empire and the early Christians were themselves persecuted during that time. - Christian debate on persecution and toleration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So his point stands and the white washing continues on your part.
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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Funny how you cut out this line....

    Early Christianity was a minority Religion in the Roman Empire and the early Christians were themselves persecuted during that time. - Christian debate on persecution and toleration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So his point stands and the white washing continues on your part.
    He already mentioned that early Christians were persecuted in Rome, and I am not debating that part. It's true, it's a fact... I am not white washing anything. They were victims, but they also victimized and persecuted other religions.

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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    The persecution of early Christians is also given in the quote.

    After Constantine I converted to Christianity, it became the dominant religion in the Roman Empire. Already beginning under his reign, Christian heretics were persecuted; The most extreme case (as far as historians know) was the burning of Priscillian and six of his followers at the stake in 383.[2] In the view of many historians, the Constantinian shift turned Christianity from a persecuted into a persecuting religion.[3] Beginning in the late 4th century A.D. also the ancient pagan religions were actively suppressed.

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