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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    I guess it doesn't dawn on you to attampt to look at the issue from their perspective. Think that one over. Notice I wrote "they did care that Jerusalem had been taken by muslims." The direct provocation was stirred up by accounts of muslim attacks on christian pilgrims, they decided then that the city needed to be back in christian hands.
    Yeah, a few Muslim bandits really justified the Crusades The fact is, there had been so serious Muslim threat to Western Europe since the Battle of Tours in 732.

    Why, oh why, would anyone be an apologist for the Crusades? You realize that's what you're doing, right? Think that over.

    The Crusades were a series of wars of aggression that were directly motivated by the Christian religion. You want to defend that?
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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Yeah, a few Muslim bandits really justified the Crusades

    Why, oh why, would anyone be an apologist for the Crusades? You realize that's what you're doing, right? Think that over.
    If you're unwilling to learn the actual history that's not my problem. Gaff it off and cry that I'm an apologist, I could care less. Also, read more carefully, this is the second time (in only 2 posts) you've completely misunderstood what I wrote.

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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    So, what Noam Chomsky says is important to you, now, is it?
    Does the fact that Chomsky is quoted make the overall story less viable?

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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    However strangely, either religion in 3rd world countries or areas where the society is extremely backwards when compared to modern western civilization, we see far more violence cropping up from the religions. Very similar to 500 or 900 years ago when the society of the western world was different then it is today with regards to violence as an answer.
    I would tend to say that any religion can be misused, and the way that the religion is practiced is more a reflection of the people involved than the religion itself. I would say that this is the case regarding ANY religion, not just Christianity or Islam.

    I personally find the Christianists more of an annoyance, because I am directly impacted by their influence over policy and politics in the Soouth. However, I would say that my opinion might be very different if I lived in Dearborne, Michigan.
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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    Where in this story does it say these are christians?

    It mentions a pastor, but his family was victimized by the violence, not perpetrating it. The article even points out that the mobs were followers of "witch-doctors" who kill albinos for good luck. Belief in "witchcraft" or evil spirits and such is a remnant that survives from much older African religions/traditions, and is also common in other cultures, from new guinea to the philippines.
    First of al, belief in witchcraft has a Christian tradition going back to the very beginning of the faith, and a strong current of it still persists. Ever heard of the Salem witch trials? And what about that witch-hunting African pastor that Sarah Palin was paling around with?

    Besides that, you are being entirely disingenuous if you are trying to assert that the homophobic violence in Uganda is the result of African shamanistic religions. Uganda is something like 90% Christian, and if you take a minute to research the politics of the situation you will see that it is right-wing mainstream Protestants that are behind the anti-gay movement.

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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    If you're unwilling to learn the actual history that's not my problem. Gaff it off and cry that I'm an apologist, I could care less. Also, read more carefully, this is the second time (in only 2 posts) you've completely misunderstood what I wrote.
    I've already shared the actual history of the Crusades with you, and you choose to sweep it under the rug and claim that the Crusades were "not religiously motivated" despite all the evidence being to the contrary. Sorry, but you have been soundly defeated in this argument. Have a good one.

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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Does the fact that Chomsky is quoted make the overall story less viable?
    Well unless it's an article about linguistics, it kinda does, yeah...

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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Well unless it's an article about linguistics, it kinda does, yeah...
    The article contains factual details about what happened, and then quotes Chomsky. The factual details remain factual. It's not an opinion piece.

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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I've already shared the actual history of the Crusades with you, and you choose to sweep it under the rug and claim that the Crusades were "not religiously motivated" despite all the evidence being to the contrary. Sorry, but you have been soundly defeated in this argument. Have a good one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    The fact is, there had been so serious Muslim threat to Western Europe since the Battle of Tours in 732.
    Sack of Rome (846) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    They also sacked Pisa in 1004. btw



    And again, why do you always insist on misrepresenting what I have actually said? Perhaps you're real adept and defeating imaginary arguments you make up and attribute to other people -- but I wouldn't pat myself on the back for that if I were you.
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    Re: Which Religion is more "pushy?" Christianity or Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    Where in this story does it say these are christians?

    It mentions a pastor, but his family was victimized by the violence, not perpetrating it. The article even points out that the mobs were followers of "witch-doctors" who kill albinos for good luck. Belief in "witchcraft" or evil spirits and such is a remnant that survives from much older African religions/traditions, and is also common in other cultures, from new guinea to the philippines.
    If you were familiar with the subject, you'd realize that there is a strong connection between Christianity and witch-hunting in Africa at present.

    Children are targets of Nigerian witch hunt | World news | The Observer

    Behind the smartly painted doors pastors make a living by 'deliverances' - exorcisms - for people beset by witchcraft, something seen to cause anything from divorce, disease, accidents or job losses. With so many churches it's a competitive market, but by local standards a lucrative one.

    But an exploitative situation has now grown into something much more sinister as preachers are turning their attentions to children - naming them as witches. In a maddened state of terror, parents and whole villages turn on the child. They are burnt, poisoned, slashed, chained to trees, buried alive or simply beaten and chased off into the bush.

    Some parents scrape together sums needed to pay for a deliverance - sometimes as much as three or four months' salary for the average working man - although the pastor will explain that the witch might return and a second deliverance will be needed. Even if the parent wants to keep the child, their neighbours may attack it in the street.

    This is not just a few cases. This is becoming commonplace. In Esit Eket, up a nameless, puddled-and-potholed path is a concrete shack stuffed to its fetid rafters with roughly made bunk beds. Here, three to a bed like battery chickens, sleep victims of the besuited Christian pastors and their hours-long, late-night services. Ostracised and abandoned, these are the children a whole community believes fervently are witches.
    http://www.monstersandcritics.com/sm...en-HBO2-May-26

    And, this isn't limited to Africa:

    Woman suspected of witchcraft burned alive - CNN.com (Papua New Guinea is 96% Christian)

    As unity unravels, a battle for Haitian souls is stirring - Haiti: The Earthquake Aftermath - BradentonHerald.com - Haiti

    The tensions have only mounted as Evangelical and other religious groups from the United States fly en masse to a ravaged Haiti to feed and preach the Gospel.

    Last month, Mario Joseph, a Haitian human rights lawyer, went before the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights seeking an investigation of attacks against Vodouists after several were stoned by Evangelical pastors in the Cité Soleil slum.

    ``In other zones of the country,'' he told the commission, ``particularly in the commune of Verrettes in the Artibonite, literal witch hunts have been launched against priests and practitioners of this religion.''
    The harm being done by Christian extremists is every bit as serious as the harm being done by Islamic extremists. Those who don't realize this probably aren't paying attention.

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    If you're unwilling to learn the actual history that's not my problem.
    Hello, Pot. Meet Kettle.
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