View Poll Results: Amendments to the US Constitution

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  • Repeal the income tax and replace with the Fair Tax

    15 27.27%
  • Repeal Amendment 14

    9 16.36%
  • Abolish Govt-run welfare, health care, education, etc.

    10 18.18%
  • Mandate a balanced budget every year

    20 36.36%
  • Limit total taxes and spending to under 15%

    12 21.82%
  • Stop all wars and meddling abroad

    14 25.45%
  • Abolish all meddlesome regulations and mandates

    10 18.18%
  • Privatize social security

    12 21.82%
  • Make all states independent nations

    1 1.82%
  • Other (specify)

    25 45.45%
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Thread: New Constitutional Amendment

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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    You are missing "Stop corporate funding of political parties and limit political funding". Would solve a bunch of problems IMO.

    As for the rest.. stupid ideas most of them. They are undemocratic to out right dangerous. You even advocating dissolving the US for god sake.. is that really the Tea Party/Libertarianism wet dream?.. the death of the US?
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    If you could write any amendments to the US Constitution, what would they be?
    That is like asking what you would wish for from a genie. The most obvious answer is more wishes.

    I would write an amendment granting me the sole power to amend the Constitution whenever I wanted and as many times as I wanted.

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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You are missing "Stop corporate funding of political parties and limit political funding". Would solve a bunch of problems IMO.
    You mean limiting free speech?

    Since you live in Spain, I won't expect you to know the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (after all, we Americans don't know half the political facts about any given country)

    Here it is, for your convenience:

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Here it is, for your convenience:

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
    You know reading it for the first time in the context that it's in, religion. The case could be made that the free speech part only relates to religious issues, preaching, assemble, testifying, phamplets, tracts, etc.

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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    You know reading it for the first time in the context that it's in, religion. The case could be made that the free speech part only relates to religious issues, preaching, assemble, testifying, phamplets, tracts, etc.

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    huh?!?!? how do you figure? you did note that there is a semi-colon in there, not a simple comma, right?
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    You mean limiting free speech?

    Since you live in Spain, I won't expect you to know the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (after all, we Americans don't know half the political facts about any given country)

    Here it is, for your convenience:

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
    I just don't accept the argument that money is speech. I understand that financing is a delicate tricky issue, but nowhere in the founders writings, did they consider speech and money synonomous.
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    You know reading it for the first time in the context that it's in, religion. The case could be made that the free speech part only relates to religious issues, preaching, assemble, testifying, phamplets, tracts, etc.

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    That would be true, but only if you don't understand the English language. Semicolons, like the one after 'thereof' are used to indicate interdependent statements.

    Also, this is why there seems to be a lot of confusion regarding the Second Amendment. Some individuals demand that the amendment only apply to militias. But those individuals always forget the comma after the word 'state' to distinguish between the right of the militia AND the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I just don't accept the argument that money is speech. I understand that financing is a delicate tricky issue, but nowhere in the founders writings, did they consider speech and money synonomous.
    It says nothing about money. It explicitely states that congress shall make no law...abridging free speech. Therefore, if you favor a law that limits or restricts the right of corporations or groups of individuals to spend money on political advertising at the close-end of a campaign, that is effectively creating a law that limits their right to free speech. Haven't you heard the arguments from above? The officials want to ban the publication of pamphlets, magazines, or books with special "magic words" that are intended to be released towards the end of an election cycle. We're banning books now to stop the evil campaign finance system!

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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    It says nothing about money. It explicitely states that congress shall make no law...abridging free speech. Therefore, if you favor a law that limits or restricts the right of corporations or groups of individuals to spend money on political advertising at the close-end of a campaign, that is effectively creating a law that limits their right to free speech. Haven't you heard the arguments from above? The officials want to ban the publication of pamphlets, magazines, or books with special "magic words" that are intended to be released towards the end of an election cycle. We're banning books now to stop the evil campaign finance system!
    If you use value-laden words like evil, I cannot take you seriously. Are you going to stop using appeals to emotion and discuss things like an adult, or should i just start ignoring what you say?

    The Citizen's United case most definately equated money with speech. While I don't agree with all of modern finance law, the fact that it abolished spending restrictions like it did most definately is a blow in having a democratic government of the people and not a plutocracy.
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    If you use value-laden words like evil, I cannot take you seriously. Are you going to stop using appeals to emotion and discuss things like an adult, or should i just start ignoring what you say?

    The Citizen's United case most definately equated money with speech. While I don't agree with all of modern finance law, the fact that it abolished spending restrictions like it did most definately is a blow in having a democratic government of the people and not a plutocracy.

    I'm stunned you didn't respond to the banned books comment. The spending restrictions were essentially restrictions on the amount of speech one or more individuals could make. In order to speak to an audience as wide as a city, state, or country, you need capital. By limiting the amount of capital that could be spent on such ads (with an explicit ban on the type and timing of political ads), you are restricting the right of that person or persons to make free speech. The First Amendment does not distinguish between commercial or non-commercial, political or non-political speech.

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