View Poll Results: Amendments to the US Constitution

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  • Repeal the income tax and replace with the Fair Tax

    15 27.27%
  • Repeal Amendment 14

    9 16.36%
  • Abolish Govt-run welfare, health care, education, etc.

    10 18.18%
  • Mandate a balanced budget every year

    20 36.36%
  • Limit total taxes and spending to under 15%

    12 21.82%
  • Stop all wars and meddling abroad

    14 25.45%
  • Abolish all meddlesome regulations and mandates

    10 18.18%
  • Privatize social security

    12 21.82%
  • Make all states independent nations

    1 1.82%
  • Other (specify)

    25 45.45%
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Thread: New Constitutional Amendment

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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    The founders set up a flawed system. That's why we need to change it from time to time. Remember setting it up so that women couldn't vote? Good job founders. Or the vice president being the person who got the second most amount of votes? That part was a keeper. I don't get why people have this idea "the founders set it up, so that's always the best way to do it" mentality.

    I have to wonder if the anti 17th amendment people ever looked at what happened back then. Most of the time, the senate seat would just become a bargaining chip for political maneuvering in the state house. Deadlock would lead senate seats unfilled for months at a time. They'd almost always be some of the biggest political insiders you've ever seen. And you think having senators be chosen by politicians would be good for this country? weird.
    I most certainly do believe Senators should be appointed by the states legislatures. The current way hasn't dampened any corruption at all. At least when they were appointed the states had some control over the federal government. Now they don't even have any representation as states . Foreign governments have more representation in Washington than individual states do. This is why there are so many unfunded mandates .
    Balance of power was what they sought by having the Senators under direct control of the state governments.
    It's all part of that checks and balances thing.

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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Libertarians, IMHO, are far more consistent in their ideology. Consistency is often mistaken for zealotry or evangelism.
    Well, they are very closely related concepts. If one is concerned more about consistency than practicality, the result will be a staunch defense of completely untenable policies...which sounds a lot like zealotry to me.
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    What my idea of the problem is? I don't have any problem with the 17th, so i'm not sure what you're saying here.
    Popular vote hasn't made senators less corrupt, what the hell are you thinking? All it's done is distance the States from the working of the federal govt.
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well, they are very closely related concepts. If one is concerned more about consistency than practicality, the result will be a staunch defense of completely untenable policies...which sounds a lot like zealotry to me.
    I was also going to say that I believe Libertarians are far more practical in their ideological mind set. But that is ultimately a subjective judgement. It appears the only justificiation to the argument, "Libertarians are irrational" is that they're few in number. But being a minority doesn't automatically discredit the integrity of an idea. If you want to discuss this further, I'd be glad to. Unfortunately, I have to leave.

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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    You literally disagree with all of them? You literally believe that we need to minimize individual freedom and maximize political authority?

    I'm not calling you a totalitarian, but I would like you to acknowledge that you stand for totalitaran ideals. If not, please expand further. This debate can't be over yet!
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I dunno, I've never read it. The idea is that we'd be able to quickly refill the seats of Congress in the event of a tragedy in which many of them died.
    Nearly every Congresscritter was killed in a terrorist attack in which a plane was flown into the Capitol building... written before 9/11 btw...
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Spin it how you will.
    Being a moderator, I'm guessing you're tired of putting thought into your posts.

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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Get rid of the income tax, but I would say flat tax over "fair".

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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Being a moderator, I'm guessing you're tired of putting thought into your posts.
    Or it could be I think arguing with some one who thinks those who disagree with them politically means they stand for totalitarian ideals is a waste of my time.
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Or it could be I think arguing with some one who thinks those who disagree with them politically means they stand for totalitarian ideals is a waste of my time.
    I'm only going by the definitive meaning of the term. If you stand against everything that is libertarian, you are a totalitarian. This is because totalitarianism is the opposite of libertarianism. If you stand against everything that is libertarian, then you're not liberal. You can call yourself whatever you like, but don't you wish to back your claim with evidence? I couldn't label myself Japanese unless I could show strong evidence that I was Japanese. I couldn't label myself a Mormon if I'm 100% atheist. I could, but then it would be absurd.

    If you'd like to put some thought into the debate, you could give me some examples of the provisions you're against and WHY you're against them. I was sure a "pro-homosexual bigot" like yourself would support gays in the military and gay marriage.

    It's also impossible to be completely against libertarianism, "point-by-point" if you do feel a little close to conservatism. Conservatives sometimes support free-market principles and the right to bear arms. These are qualities shared with libertarians. And given that you served in the military, I also assumed you would support the 2nd Amendment.

    I'd really like you to answer my question regarding the Bill of Rights. Maybe you don't realize that when you claim you're completely against something, you quickly discover that's a blanket statement and it is not really accurate.

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