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  • Repeal the income tax and replace with the Fair Tax

    15 27.27%
  • Repeal Amendment 14

    9 16.36%
  • Abolish Govt-run welfare, health care, education, etc.

    10 18.18%
  • Mandate a balanced budget every year

    20 36.36%
  • Limit total taxes and spending to under 15%

    12 21.82%
  • Stop all wars and meddling abroad

    14 25.45%
  • Abolish all meddlesome regulations and mandates

    10 18.18%
  • Privatize social security

    12 21.82%
  • Make all states independent nations

    1 1.82%
  • Other (specify)

    25 45.45%
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Thread: New Constitutional Amendment

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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    What religious fervor? A grounded, consistent libertarian is not a religious zealot.
    It's more of that many libertarians are very single-minded about it, evangelical isn't a bad word for it. You weren't on the board during 2008 but I'm sure you can imagine how insane some of the ron paul fanboys got.
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    I misread the thread and thought you were asking if any of these should be done. I voted for ending war and meddling abroad, but I don't advocate any sort of constitutional amendment.

    Getting rid of the equal protection clause and the right of citizenship for people born or naturalized in the US sounds tempting (joke)

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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    But they thing is, they didn't represent the States. They represented the often corrupt politicians in the state house. Don't you see the difference?
    You're missing the point....it would be a good solution to what your idea of the problems is.
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Repeal the income tax and replace with the Fair Tax
    Repeal Amendment 14
    Abolish Govt-run welfare, health care, education, etc.
    Mandate a balanced budget every year
    Limit total taxes and spending to under 15%
    Stop all wars and meddling abroad
    Abolish all meddlesome regulations and mandates
    Privatize social security
    Make all states independent nations
    No to all of these. These ideas range from the extreme (e.g. repealing the 14th amendment) to the vague (e.g. meddlesome regulations).

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    Here are a few constitutional amendments that I would like to see:

    AMENDMENT 28:
    (1) By the time of their inauguration, the President and Vice President must be 18 years of age and citizens of the United States. Any residency requirement or natural-born citizen requirement is hereby repealed. (2) The President and Vice President shall be jointly elected on a ticket by a nationwide popular vote. The ticket receiving the most votes shall become President and Vice President.

    AMENDMENT 29:
    (1) All states and territories shall have the right to secede from these United States. (2) Any state or territory, having declared its intent to secede with a two-thirds majority in its state legislature and the consent of its executive, shall put the matter to a popular vote of the residents of the state or territory. If the residents consent by a three-fifths majority, the state or territory shall hold another popular vote 24 months later. If the residents again consent by a three-fifths majority, the state or territory shall be granted its independence and no longer bound by the Constitution of the United States.

    AMENDMENT 30:
    No congressional rules or parliamentary proceedings may be used to require a supermajority for the passage of any legislation, excepting those issues specified in this Constitution.

    AMENDMENT 31:
    Neither the United States nor any state shall confiscate any private property for private use, with the exception of transportation, defense, or infrastructure projects.

    AMENDMENT 32:
    (1) There shall be a number of representatives equal to the population of the United States divided by the population of the least populous state, (2) The congressional districts for all states shall be redrawn once per decade, in accordance with the US Census, by a computer program using parameters chosen by ten randomly-selected independent federal judges.

    AMENDMENT 33:
    (1) In the event that more than one-fifth of the seats of either house of Congress are vacant, the executives of each state shall have sole authority to appoint replacements irrespective of the state constitutional process. (2) This authority shall remain in effect until fewer than one-tenth of the seats of either house of Congress are vacant.

    AMENDMENT 34:
    (1) Supreme Court justices shall be appointed for a single term of 18 years. (2) No person shall serve more than one term on the Supreme Court. (3) This amendment shall not apply to anyone who is currently serving on the Supreme Court at the time of its ratification.

    AMENDMENT 35:
    (1) No person shall serve more than two terms in the United States Senate. (2) No person shall serve more than four terms in the United States House of Representatives. (3) This amendment shall not apply to anyone who is currently serving in the United States Senate or House of Representatives at the time of its ratification.
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    IN today's context, a liberal is one who feels that government can and should make the country better. A conservative is one who feels that less government makes the country better, and a Libertarian wants to get stoned. I feel strongly that government can be a force for good, and should be. When you break it down to individual issues, I do tend to side with conservatives on a few issues. Libertarians positions I disagree with pretty much across the board.
    That is a very simplistic way to put it. I see the political spectrum in a David Nolan type fashion. Liberals generally support expanded civil liberties and restricted economic freedom while the conservatives supports the contrary. This is always a generalization.

    To say that Libertarians only wish to get stoned is ridiculous. Ask Koriymer the Rat about libertarianism. Libertarianism is essentially the extreme opposite of totalitarianism, so if you're the opposite of libertarian, then you must be a totalitarian! And given that the base root of the word liberal is derived from liber- to be free, then you must either be confused or not very liberal at all. Since the government's primary method beyond the scope of the constitution is to restrict liberty, you must not be liberal at all.

    Read the following platform from the national LP and tell me you oppose nearly all of them:

    Platform | Libertarian Party

    And by the way, do you support repealing the Bill of Rights? Because according to the Libertarians, this document is one of the most sacred (if not the most important) document (or sub-document) of our national founding. Libertarians STRONGLY support each of the first ten amendments. Given that you oppose nearly everything the Libertarian stands for, that would mean you would strongly oppose the Bill of Rights.
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    That is a very simplistic way to put it. I see the political spectrum in a David Nolan type fashion. Liberals generally support expanded civil liberties and restricted economic freedom while the conservatives supports the contrary. This is always a generalization.

    To say that Libertarians only wish to get stoned is ridiculous. Ask Koriymer the Rat about libertarianism. Libertarianism is essentially the extreme opposite of totalitarianism, so if you're the opposite of libertarian, then you must be a totalitarian! And given that the base root of the word liberal is derived from liber- to be free, then you must either be confused or not very liberal at all. Since the government's primary method beyond the scope of the constitution is to restrict liberty, you must not be liberal at all.

    Read the following platform from the national LP and tell me you oppose nearly all of them:

    Platform | Libertarian Party

    And by the way, do you support repealing the Bill of Rights? Because according to the Libertarians, this document is one of the most sacred (if not the most important) document (or sub-document) of our national founding. Libertarians STRONGLY support each of the first ten amendments. Given that you oppose nearly everything the Libertarian stands for, that would mean you would strongly oppose the Bill of Rights.
    Yes, I disagree with the LP platform almost point for point. If a libertarian wants to call me totalitarian for that, feel free.
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You're missing the point....it would be a good solution to what your idea of the problems is.
    What my idea of the problem is? I don't have any problem with the 17th, so i'm not sure what you're saying here.
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    If you could write any amendments to the US Constitution, what would they be?
    Amendment I
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Change it to read: - or abridging the freedom of non-provoking and non-inflammatory speech...

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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Before reading the thread...

    Repeal the income tax and replace with the Fair Tax This is the only one I voted for. The income tax as currently used is simply unfair and stymies initiative and growth. Many people don't understand the Fair Tax, but it would actually BENEFIT those living below the rate of poverty as well as encourage investment and savings. Somethign that is sorely needed in the U.S.

    Repeal Amendment 14 Amend this, yes. Outright repeal, no way. It has become one of the bedrock elements of the U.S. Constitution that has helped to bring immigrants to the U.S. that have helped to build the country. The promise that children would be citizens. Amend it to require that at least one parent be in the U.S. legally to acquire citizenship, but not outrifht repeal.

    Abolish Govt-run welfare, health care, education, etc. Absolutely not... Scale it back through legislation? In many cases, yes. Welfare is absolutely necessary. There are people who require it through no fault of their own. Americans are a compassionate people. Health care? Scale it back, but not eliminate it. Again, people need health care. Education? Take out the federal role and make it state/local as per the Constitution.

    Mandate a balanced budget every year While the runaway deficits are destructive to the long-term financial health of the U.S., to put such a straitjacket on the federal government would be counterproductive. It would tie the hands of the government to deal with sudden, unexpected crises that are inevitable.

    Limit total taxes and spending to under 15% Under 15% of what? Too problematical. How do you measure it? Who is the referee? Also dangerously hamstrings the federal government in abovementioned situations.

    Stop all wars and meddling abroad Even the Founding Fathers meddled around. The U.S. MUST remain engaged in the world. The long-term consequences are unthinkable. Forgotten the lessons of history already?

    Abolish all meddlesome regulations and mandates Who defines meddlesome? The government has long instituted regulations. That is part of the job of government. However, I would agree that it has gone overboard, but limits should be legislative, not constitutional.

    Privatize social security Legislative, not Constitutional.

    Make all states independent nations Absurd... there is strength in unity
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Mandate a balanced budget each year. Or more realistically, mandate a balanced budget over a rolling period from, say, 3-5 years. I don't really care if there's a couple hundred million budget deficit one year as long as the deficit isn't growing uncontrollably.
    I adressed this in my initial post in the thread. In theory, I like the idea... However, this hamstrings the government in emergencies...

    Get rid of the electoral college and have a direct election of the president.
    Totally disagree. This is a union of States. The electoral college is a manifestation of that fact. I wouldn't mind if the states changed the way they allocate electoral votes in the way that Nebraska and Maine do, but I don't like the idea of eliminating the electoral college.

    Change our voting system to instant run-off voting.
    I wouldn't mind seeing run offs, in fact, some areas already do it. However, I don't like the idea of instant run-off voting... The dymanics of the choice in a run-off could vary based on who actually advance and would affect the second-choice vote of many, to be sure.

    Disallow fillibusters in the senate.
    Constitution???

    Change tax policy to have a flat tax on earnings over what's required for basic necessities (food, shelter, etc.)
    No way. This would kill sole proprietorships as they use their business expenses as legitimate deductions. In a straight flat tax, they would not be able to do so. Fair tax is a FAR better idea.

    Add in a definition of 'person' to be any homo sapien that is past 20 weeks gestational age.
    We are on the same line of thinking here, though I would go earlier than you.

    Institute basic (as in covers major emergencies and nothing else) government-provided healthcare for everyone in the country.
    As a Constitutional amendment? Major emergencies is basic???

    Domestic partnership rights for all (adult) Americans. Marriage would be strictly ceremonial.
    We will part ways in a major way here. Marriage/family is the bedrock of society.

    I'm sure there are others, but that's all I can think of at the moment. Some of these might not require constitutional amendments.
    Most of these should be handled through legislative initiatives, not Constitutional
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