View Poll Results: Amendments to the US Constitution

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  • Repeal the income tax and replace with the Fair Tax

    15 27.27%
  • Repeal Amendment 14

    9 16.36%
  • Abolish Govt-run welfare, health care, education, etc.

    10 18.18%
  • Mandate a balanced budget every year

    20 36.36%
  • Limit total taxes and spending to under 15%

    12 21.82%
  • Stop all wars and meddling abroad

    14 25.45%
  • Abolish all meddlesome regulations and mandates

    10 18.18%
  • Privatize social security

    12 21.82%
  • Make all states independent nations

    1 1.82%
  • Other (specify)

    25 45.45%
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Thread: New Constitutional Amendment

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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

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    I'm stunned you didn't respond to the banned books comment. The spending restrictions were essentially restrictions on the amount of speech one or more individuals could make. In order to speak to an audience as wide as a city, state, or country, you need capital. By limiting the amount of capital that could be spent on such ads (with an explicit ban on the type and timing of political ads), you are restricting the right of that person or persons to make free speech. The First Amendment does not distinguish between commercial or non-commercial, political or non-political speech.
    Technically, the first amendment DOES distinguish between different types of speech, according to modern con law. I couldn't put out an ad that said "hobo's wonder pills will magically make you lose 50 pounds", then claim free speech when they don't work. Commercial speech has many restrictions on it. And I didn't respond to the remark about books because as far as I understand, the law in question only pertained to TV ads.

    Let me ask you- how can we continue to have government by the people if VaultTech can pump so much money into a race as to drown out all other voices?
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    If you use value-laden words like evil, I cannot take you seriously.
    Don't feel bad. I found out from him in this thread I support a form of totalitarianism.
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Don't feel bad. I found out from him in this thread I support a form of totalitarianism.
    I really wish you could stay with me in the debate, Redress.

    I'm sorry for calling you a totalitarian. But hopefully I've convinced you that it takes a lot of faith to believe you're 100% against Libertarianism. I don't doubt you have your disagreements and a lot of them, but I certainly don't believe you're even capable of being 100% against Libertarian. But Libertarianism, like the left or the right, does contain a polar opposite, and it's quite ugly. :-)

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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    I did not say 100 %. I said almost point for point. This is not the thread really to discuss the LP platform, and I have discussed it at various times. If you want to create a thread to discuss the topic, let me know when you do, I will add my thoughts.
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Technically, the first amendment DOES distinguish between different types of speech, according to modern con law.
    I'm a strict constitutionalist, myself. Given enough time, modern con laws will prevent the rights of certain groups from speaking due to their political affliation. Parties and ideas will be labeled "hate speech" and will be restricted.

    I couldn't put out an ad that said "hobo's wonder pills will magically make you lose 50 pounds", then claim free speech when they don't work. Commercial speech has many restrictions on it. And I didn't respond to the remark about books because as far as I understand, the law in question only pertained to TV ads.
    You're assuming I agree with such restrictions. I believe there's far too many exemptions given to the First Amendment that directly violates the original law. And if you didn't hear about the books, you haven't been paying attention.

    Will Elena Kagan Allow Books to be Banned? - Reason Magazine

    Let me ask you- how can we continue to have government by the people if VaultTech can pump so much money into a race as to drown out all other voices?
    VaultTech is not people. Inanimate, non-human objects and things cannot pump money anywhere. PEOPLE pump money into a race, and there will always be people who have more money to pump. It is wrong to limit the amount of money one or more individuals can spend on political advertising, regardless of the circumstances.

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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I did not say 100 %. I said almost point for point. This is not the thread really to discuss the LP platform, and I have discussed it at various times. If you want to create a thread to discuss the topic, let me know when you do, I will add my thoughts.
    Promise? I'm creating it now in the Gen. Pol. Disc. forum.

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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    I would like to see a Constitutional Amendment that prohibits and bans and prohibits any level of government from giving any sort of tax break, tax abatement, handout, corporate welfare, regulatory leniency, or debt forgiveness to any business to attract it to the area.

    Such practices harm the people because they take government money and give it to private companies. They deny the people valuable government services as tax revenues go down. They are unfair to existing businesses who were not given such breaks and have to play on a very uneven playing field.
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I would like to see a Constitutional Amendment that prohibits and bans and prohibits any level of government from giving any sort of tax break, tax abatement, handout, corporate welfare, regulatory leniency, or debt forgiveness to any business to attract it to the area.

    Such practices harm the people because they take government money and give it to private companies. They deny the people valuable government services as tax revenues go down. They are unfair to existing businesses who were not given such breaks and have to play on a very uneven playing field.
    You have got to be kidding me!

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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    You have got to be kidding me!
    Why would I kid you?

    Its high time that government stopped stealing businesses from one town to another or one state to another and the main winners are the company owners. It is blatantly NOT fair to existing companies who have to compete with those getting governmental favors and largesse. If done on a national level, everybody know plays by the same rules in the same geographic area.
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    Re: New Constitutional Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    I really wish you could stay with me in the debate, Redress.

    I'm sorry for calling you a totalitarian. But hopefully I've convinced you that it takes a lot of faith to believe you're 100% against Libertarianism. I don't doubt you have your disagreements and a lot of them, but I certainly don't believe you're even capable of being 100% against Libertarian. But Libertarianism, like the left or the right, does contain a polar opposite, and it's quite ugly. :-)
    You don't think Redress could be 100% against libertarianism but you were still willing to use the word totalitarian...
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