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Public School Funding -- User Fees

Public School Funding -- User Fees

  • User Fees -- 100%

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • At least 80%

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • At least 60%

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • At least 50%

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • At least 40%

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • At least 30%

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • At least 20%

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • At least 10%

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • All funding from taxes (specify what kind and why)

    Votes: 2 50.0%

  • Other funding (specify)

    Votes: 2 50.0%
  • Total voters
    4
ronpaulvoter

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Since it is the responsibility of parents to take care of their own children, would you agree that user fees (so much per child) should be used INSTEAD of the usual property, income and sales taxes?

If so, what percentage?
 
ronpaulvoter said:
Since it is the responsibility of parents to take care of their own children, would you agree that user fees (so much per child) should be used INSTEAD of the usual property, income and sales taxes?

If so, what percentage?
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I don't quite understand, so if I have a child, I should pay a tax on that child? Instead of income tax? How do you think I support the child? Through my income... and where would I pay those taxes from? Probably my income. Just a thought.

User Fees :confused:
 
Jetboogieman said:
I don't quite understand, so if I have a child, I should pay a tax on that child? Instead of income tax? How do you think I support the child? Through my income... and where would I pay those taxes from? Probably my income. Just a thought.

User Fees :confused:
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You would pay for the use of the public school, but only if you actually used it. If your child attends the public school, you pay a fee of so much (per month or semester) during the time your child goes there. It would be the same kind of fee you pay to use a private school.

The bottom line: If you download a tricycle motor, you are responsible for its care. You do not have a right to use other people's money to take care of your children.
 
Well then public school would just be private school. Public school should be paid for by taxes.
 
ronpaulvoter said:
You would pay for the use of the public school, but only if you actually used it. If your child attends the public school, you pay a fee of so much (per month or semester) during the time your child goes there. It would be the same kind of fee you pay to use a private school.

The bottom line: If you download a tricycle motor, you are responsible for its care. You do not have a right to use other people's money to take care of your children.
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And what if you can't afford to send your child to school?

Do you realise the overall negative impact lack of schooling can have a on a society? It makes you less competitive in the global market, and would ultimately bring down the nation.
 
Jetboogieman said:
And what if you can't afford to send your child to school?

Do you realise the overall negative impact lack of schooling can have a on a society? It makes you less competitive in the global market, and would ultimately bring down the nation.
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Yep, we should make education more accessible, not less accessible. The more educated our society is, the better we will be. Education should be funded by taxes because it is in everyone's best interest that our society is one of the best educated in the world. (Though, we do need education reform as well)
 
Jetboogieman said:
And what if you can't afford to send your child to school?

Do you realise the overall negative impact lack of schooling can have a on a society? It makes you less competitive in the global market, and would ultimately bring down the nation.
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If you cannot support children, don't have them.

If you have suffered a financial disaster beyond your control, churches and charities are the way to go, NOT forcing other people to do it.

For your information, private schooling is far superior to the government-run kind. In addition, since it is far more efficient, it costs a lot less. Home schooling is also much better and lower in cost than the govt kind.

Your Star said:
Yep, we should make education more accessible, not less accessible. The more educated our society is, the better we will be. Education should be funded by taxes because it is in everyone's best interest that our society is one of the best educated in the world. (Though, we do need education reform as well)
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It is in everyone's best interest to divest government meddling with education. It not only wastes our money; it also dumbs down our children. Is that what you want for YOUR children???????
 
ronpaulvoter said:
If you cannot support children, don't have them.

If you have suffered a financial disaster beyond your control, churches and charities are the way to go, NOT forcing other people to do it.

For your information, private schooling is far superior to the government-run kind. In addition, since it is far more efficient, it costs a lot less. Home schooling is also much better and lower in cost than the govt kind.



It is in everyone's best interest to divest government meddling with education. It not only wastes our money; it also dumbs down our children. Is that what you want for YOUR children???????
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Got it.

You don't have money.

You don't deserve education.

Perfect.
 
Your Star said:
Yep, we should make education more accessible, not less accessible. The more educated our society is, the better we will be. Education should be funded by taxes because it is in everyone's best interest that our society is one of the best educated in the world. (Though, we do need education reform as well)
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Education isn't accessible enough in the US?
 
I'm pretty sure everyone can agree that we need education reform, but this is not the way to go. It will only make education available to those who can afford it, and will make our society go down faster than anything other than an atom bomb going off. And you can't say, we'll if you can't afford to send them to school, don't have children. Because that is never going to happen, and is not realistic. Education is a necessity for any society to be successful, and the access to education is one of the top factors in determining the success of a society. It is in the public interest for us to have the best education, and give it to every child, and the only way to do that is through public means.
 
Your Star said:
I'm pretty sure everyone can agree that we need education reform, but this is not the way to go. It will only make education available to those who can afford it, and will make our society go down faster than anything other than an atom bomb going off. And you can't say, we'll if you can't afford to send them to school, don't have children. Because that is never going to happen, and is not realistic. Education is a necessity for any society to be successful, and the access to education is one of the top factors in determining the success of a society. It is in the public interest for us to have the best education, and give it to every child, and the only way to do that is through public means.
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I don't think we need education reform. Unless you mean that we're going to unload a few thousand substandard teachers. Other than that, what's wrong with our education system?
 
Trust me, people with children pay a lot of money to raise their offspring. Your comment of "people shouldn't have children if they can't afford to pay for them" is ridiculous. Remember that the kid's parents are already in the school tax pool. If you remove the elderly, the single, and the DINKs, the pool gets too small for school kid's parents to make up the difference.

Your poll didn't include one one-thousandth of one percent, so I had to stick with the status quo. All working citizens of the US have a vested interest in the education of our children as a whole. Pay your share or GTFO of the country. This isn't a Libertarian freedom that you are advocating, it's un-American greed.
 
Public schools must remain free to parents and children. It's tough to raise kids in this society. There's very little help from society. Find a method of financing other than user fees.
 
ronpaulvoter said:
Since it is the responsibility of parents to take care of their own children, would you agree that user fees (so much per child) should be used INSTEAD of the usual property, income and sales taxes?

If so, what percentage?
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Horrible idea, society enters the picture here, and society has the responsibility and the benefits, from a well educated child..
The problem is the wealthy who are unwilling to pay their fair share, also, the education costs can be better controlled....more parental involvement and fewer administrators.
 
Your Star said:
Well then public school would just be private school. Public school should be paid for by taxes.
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Then why shouldn't healthcare be paid for with taxes? Certainly the health of the American people is just as important as education... I'm just sayin'...
 
apdst said:
I don't think we need education reform. Unless you mean that we're going to unload a few thousand substandard teachers. Other than that, what's wrong with our education system?
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Alot is wrong with our education system, the fact that some kids can enter high school without being able to read is a major failure in the system itself. Also high school on the majority is a joke. It does not teach kids how to think critically, nor for themselves. The standards for passing are too low, and yes there are too many bad teachers.
 
MaggieD said:
Then why shouldn't healthcare be paid for with taxes? Certainly the health of the American people is just as important as education... I'm just sayin'...
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Who say's I'm against that ;)
 
apdst said:
Never said it didn't.
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True, you did not, and I should not post when I am short of caffeine yet. The chain of logic that got me from your post to mine is weird. Sorry about that.
 
Your Star said:
Who say's I'm against that ;)
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Yeah, when I read the question and some of the posts, I thought how is this any different than everybody chipping in for the healthcare of everybody else. I'd never drawn the parallel before.
 
ronpaulvoter said:
You would pay for the use of the public school, but only if you actually used it. If your child attends the public school, you pay a fee of so much (per month or semester) during the time your child goes there. It would be the same kind of fee you pay to use a private school.

The bottom line: If you download a tricycle motor, you are responsible for its care. You do not have a right to use other people's money to take care of your children.
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Your opinion.
What in the world is a "tricycle motor" ?
Are you trying to equate a motor with a child ?
Are Libertarians misanthropes ?
 
ronpaulvoter said:
Since it is the responsibility of parents to take care of their own children, would you agree that user fees (so much per child) should be used INSTEAD of the usual property, income and sales taxes?

If so, what percentage?
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As a libertarian, user fees are music to my ears. Ideally, 100% of the public education system would be supported by user fees, or at least something other than taxes. But I would say the major caveat here is that there would have to be a user fee exemption for lower income families. In a way we have user fees now for some things like lunch, but just like lunch there should be an exemption for those too poor to afford it. Otherwise it isn't really public.
 
Vouchers. above that, the parents can pay.
 
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