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Thread: French police avoid near lynching by muslim youth, flee"muslim"zone.DRM Ireland

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    Re: French police avoid near lynching by muslim youth, flee"muslim"zone.DRM Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I ask everyone this who brings up a thread like this.

    Is Islam a problem for the West?

    If so:

    Whats your solution to the problem?

    Mass Deportation?
    Islam is absolutely a problem for the West; it's a universalistic creed that is at fundamental odds with many of our core beliefs (individual autonomy, limited government, free expression, equality of women, etc).

    the solution? corrupt them


    no, seriously, westernize them.

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    Re: French police avoid near lynching by muslim youth, flee"muslim"zone.DRM Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    A true Athiest society has never been tried, so how do you know?
    of course it has. we called it "communism".

    I can tell you one thing for certain, we'd have less to fight about
    extremely unlikely. we are human, after all .

    Why can't people just believe what they wanna believe and all live together side by side and not have to be one thing?
    sure sure sure..... except until it's your neighbors' view that God commands him to conquer and bend you to The Truth.

    then it's your 'truth' that he has no right to do so....

    and we are right back where we started.

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    Re: French police avoid near lynching by muslim youth, flee"muslim"zone.DRM Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    of course it has. we called it "communism".
    Perhaps, but communism failed because it was a bad economic theory, not because they didn't believe in god, as Alfons would suggest, and besides, alot of people still did, it just wasnt sanctioned by the government, in fact as you know it was heavily discouraged

    sure sure sure..... except until it's your neighbors' view that God commands him to conquer and bend you to The Truth.

    then it's your 'truth' that he has no right to do so....

    and we are right back where we started.
    Ah no, my neighbour can believe what they want. And I can believe what I want. And we can get together, and just not talk about that. Have a good time.

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    Re: French police avoid near lynching by muslim youth, flee"muslim"zone.DRM Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes you can. Our government isn't based on a god, it's based on the rights and liberties of the individual. There's nothing that necessitates gods in government. People, of course, are free to believe and express said belief as they feel fit so long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others in the process. But there's nothing innate to a god which stabilizes a population; everything is dictated by the actions of man, not gods.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not really a problem in the US. Europe seems to have all the problems with them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    No, an emphasis on assimilation.

    The reason we have fewer problems with radical Muslims compared to Europe is that dogmatic multiculturalism is not so ingrained here. A melting pot approach ensures less friction than one that one seeking to preserve differences.
    France has the same issues with its minorty population in this case black african muslims as the US does with latinos and blacks

    A significant portion of that population group living in economically depressed locations forming gangs in which the Police generally do not tread without a fair bit of back up. Imagine if the police in the video went to an area in the US where MS13 had a significant presence. Instead of a tear gas grenade the police would have to be worried about being shot. Pretending that this is an issue because of islam disregards all other evidence of what tends to happen in minority communities which are economically depressed. The dominate population moves out, youth gangs appear who tend to dislike the police. Something you see in many large US cities among its christian populations (black and latino) while Frances minority populations tend to be from northern Africa and muslim.

    Just as the violent youth gangs in the US are not violent youth gangs because they are christian, the violent youth gangs in France are not violent because they are muslim.
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    Re: French police avoid near lynching by muslim youth, flee"muslim"zone.DRM Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    France has the same issues with its minorty population in this case black african muslims as the US does with latinos and blacks
    Yeah, but they only really riot if we **** with them too hard. You have to use a light touch when screwing with people.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: French police avoid near lynching by muslim youth, flee"muslim"zone.DRM Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Perhaps, but communism failed because it was a bad economic theory, not because they didn't believe in god, as Alfons would suggest, and besides, alot of people still did, it just wasnt sanctioned by the government, in fact as you know it was heavily discouraged
    he asked for an athiest regime; he got one. once you remove God as the author of our liberties abuse of those liberties inevitably follows. as Jefferson accurately predicted.

    Ah no, my neighbour can believe what they want. And I can believe what I want. And we can get together, and just not talk about that. Have a good time.
    no, that's a Western ideal; it's called the freedom of concience and the liberty of the individual. for you to insist that your neighbor not force your beliefs on you is - interestingly - you insisting that he accept your Western culture as his own.

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    Re: French police avoid near lynching by muslim youth, flee"muslim"zone.DRM Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    he asked for an athiest regime; he got one. once you remove God as the author of our liberties abuse of those liberties inevitably follows. as Jefferson accurately predicted.
    You're kidding right? So there have never been abuses of liberties in predominantly Christian Countries? I mean, the people of Russia had no more, or less liberties under the Czar, and he basically had a state religion that was forced upon the people. Neither way is the answer. Religious regimes also have a history of being bad with civil liberties, look at Islamic Republics.

    If you had a Christian Fundamentalist regime as alfons suggested, then no other religions would be allowed, and so there'd be no civil liberties.


    no, that's a Western ideal; it's called the freedom of concience and the liberty of the individual. for you to insist that your neighbor not force your beliefs on you is - interestingly - you insisting that he accept your Western culture as his own.
    Ok. So I force him to believe what he wants to believe. And let me be. Fair enough, I guess I'll have to force him to do that

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    Re: French police avoid near lynching by muslim youth, flee"muslim"zone.DRM Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I ask everyone this who brings up a thread like this.

    Is Islam a problem for the West?

    If so:

    Whats your solution to the problem?

    Mass Deportation?

    I do not buy into the "leftie" crap as bought up by the original poster.....
    IN Europe a problem exists. It exists here as well, just ask the 3,100 murdered in the World Trade Center.
    Deportation is not the solution.
    Understanding and tolerance and the truth are - on both sides of this matter.

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    Re: French police avoid near lynching by muslim youth, flee"muslim"zone.DRM Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I do not buy into the "leftie" crap as bought up by the original poster.....
    IN Europe a problem exists. It exists here as well, just ask the 3,100 murdered in the World Trade Center.
    Deportation is not the solution.
    Understanding and tolerance and the truth are - on both sides of this matter.
    That was a handful of nutjobs from Saudi Arabia. Muslim Americans hardly make it a matter of practice to fly planes into buildings. They don't really riot. Not really causing any problem. 1 attack 10 years ago which didn't kill as many people as cars do every year. They riot all the time in France.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: French police avoid near lynching by muslim youth, flee"muslim"zone.DRM Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You're kidding right? So there have never been abuses of liberties in predominantly Christian Countries?
    who claimed that? certainly not. Christians are sinners by definition; that is, in fact, sort of one of the central tenets of our face.

    If you had a Christian Fundamentalist regime as alfons suggested, then no other religions would be allowed, and so there'd be no civil liberties.
    actually Christianity was the source of the notion that government and religion should be split. by todays' standards the Founding Fathers, after all, ran a Christian Fundamentalist regime.

    Ok. So I force him to believe what he wants to believe. And let me be. Fair enough, I guess I'll have to force him to do that
    but it is his culture to force his culture on you, and here you are forcing your culture on him. so we have come back to my position; living next to each other in peace is impossible; one of us will survive and one of us will not.

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