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Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

Will God Bless the Military Because of New Policy?

  • God will Continue to bless our Country but not our Military

    Votes: 1 2.7%

  • God will continue to bless BOTH country and military

    Votes: 3 8.1%

  • God blesses individuals NOT groups

    Votes: 7 18.9%

  • God blesses individuals AND groups seperatly

    Votes: 1 2.7%

  • God doesnt work like this at all!

    Votes: 10 27.0%

  • I dont believe in God of the Chirstian Bible

    Votes: 9 24.3%

  • Im an Athiest

    Votes: 13 35.1%

  • Other / I dont know

    Votes: 6 16.2%

  • The person that said this to you Noodle is a idiot

    Votes: 12 32.4%

  • The person that said this to you Noodle is a wise person

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • Total voters
    37
Mickey Shane said:
Which part of "Thou shalt not kill" is confusing for you? Soldiers should repent heavily for the lives that they have taken in battle. God doesn't bless active warriors, but should accept those that know that they have sinned.
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Oh, man. Where do I begin?

The fundamental principle of hermaneutics (interpretation of scripture) is to interpret scripture with more scripture... particularly in immediate context, and scripture relating to similar subjects.

"Thou shalt not kill" needs context... not kill what? People? Sheep? Bugs? Microbes?

King David, in his early years at least, was "a man after God's own heart" who was a great warrior and war-leader, whose war-band killed tens of thousands of the enemy.

"If a thief be found breaking up, and smitten so that he die, no blood shall be shed for him." Killing a thief in the act of breaking and entering is not against OT Law.

Ask a Jew about the original Hebrew of the Big 10... they'll tell you "Thou shalt not kill" refers to unjustified or unlawful killing, not killing in war or in self-defense.

In the New Testament, when soldiers who had converted to Christianity came to Jesus and asked him what they should do, he said "do not terrorize the people, and be content with your pay" (ie don't harm innocent civilians or extort them). He didn't tell them to quit being soldiers.

Almost all Christian denominations recognize that there are many biblical exemptions to "thou shalt not kill", such as war and self-defense.

Very few denominations other than Quakers hold to a total non-violence philosophy.
 
Mickey Shane said:
Which part of "Thou shalt not kill" is confusing for you? Soldiers should repent heavily for the lives that they have taken in battle. God doesn't bless active warriors, but should accept those that know that they have sinned.
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Ummm... It actually does not say that. It says "thou shall not murder" the word "kill" was a mistranslation in the KJV. Goshin covered the rest in his excellent post above.

Killing does not always involve murder.
 
Catawba said:
The terrorist's PR people would love you guys!
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So if I kill someone in defense of myself or someone else, this would be considered murder by you? All that says is that critical thinking is not your forte.
 
Blackdog said:
So if I kill someone in defense of myself or someone else, this would be considered murder by you? All that says is that critical thinking is not your forte.
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Yes - technically it's all murder.
"It's just murder, man . . . everyone's doing it" (vibe Mickey Knox)

But it's a different *degree* of murder - which points to it's acceptance, frequency or punishment.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Yes - technically it's all murder.
"It's just murder, man . . . everyone's doing it" (vibe Mickey Knox)

But it's a different *degree* of murder - which points to it's acceptance, frequency or punishment.
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No ma'am. Legally it is homicide. Murder is premeditated. A legal killing (self-defense, war) is not murder under law.

You can argue just or unjust. You can argue whether a given war is itself just, or unjust... but soldiers don't get to make that distinction, they serve the nation and the nation's leaders decide whether to go to war or not. If the war is unjust, it is on those leaders who authorized the war and said "let this be done", not on the soldier. He is simply doing his duty.

Killing in self-defense is not legally murder. You may be charged with murder, but if the defense of self-defense is upheld you will not be guilty of murder, legally. It is termed a "justified homicide".

Murder is an emotion-charged term that defines an unjust, premeditated killing. If I kill a man to stop him from killing/raping/etc an innocent person, how is my action unjust? I have prevented an injustice. How could it be premeditated? I did not seek out the situation, it happened by someone else's intentions.

You are misusing that word very egregiously.
 
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Mickey Shane said:
Which part of "Thou shalt not kill" is confusing for you? Soldiers should repent heavily for the lives that they have taken in battle. God doesn't bless active warriors, but should accept those that know that they have sinned.
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Isn't it "Thou shalt not murder"?
 
Mickey Shane said:
Which part of "Thou shalt not kill" is confusing for you? Soldiers should repent heavily for the lives that they have taken in battle. God doesn't bless active warriors, but should accept those that know that they have sinned.
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Most do and pay a far higher price for it than you could ever bear.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Yes - technically it's all murder.
"It's just murder, man . . . everyone's doing it" (vibe Mickey Knox)

But it's a different *degree* of murder - which points to it's acceptance, frequency or punishment.
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Murder is the unlawful killing of a person by another person.

That's why PETAphiles who call hunting/fishing/meat eating "murder" doesn't cut it.

Neither does equating our soldiers to murder.
 
Blackdog said:
So if I kill someone in defense of myself or someone else, this would be considered murder by you? All that says is that critical thinking is not your forte.
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Yes it's murder. Murder being the intential taking of another human's life. It's legal, as well it should be. You are most certainly entitled to defend life, liberty, and property. However, it's still murder as you've still killed someone.
 
Goshin said:
Murder is premeditated.
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Why is it, then, that we prosecute drunk drivers who kill someone for murder? Hell some dude in a road rage accident who killed someone in CO got Murder 1. He certainly didn't plan on going out that day and killing anyone (Murder 1 being the premeditated form of murder). He just lost his temper and used his car as a weapon and ended up causing a fatal accident. IMO, that is murder as there was clear intent to harm; but not murder 1 since that's supposed to be premeditated.
 
Goshin said:
No ma'am. Legally it is homicide. Murder is premeditated. A legal killing (self-defense, war) is not murder under law.

You can argue just or unjust. You can argue whether a given war is itself just, or unjust... but soldiers don't get to make that distinction, they serve the nation and the nation's leaders decide whether to go to war or not. If the war is unjust, it is on those leaders who authorized the war and said "let this be done", not on the soldier. He is simply doing his duty.

Killing in self-defense is not legally murder. You may be charged with murder, but if the defense of self-defense is upheld you will not be guilty of murder, legally. It is termed a "justified homicide".

Murder is an emotion-charged term that defines an unjust, premeditated killing. If I kill a man to stop him from killing/raping/etc an innocent person, how is my action unjust? I have prevented an injustice. How could it be premeditated? I did not seek out the situation, it happened by someone else's intentions.

You are misusing that word very egregiously.
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Ah - I didn't realize!
 
The Giant Noodle said:
One of my friends firmly feels that because gays are now openly allowed in the US military and they can openly state they are gay, that God (of the Christian Bible) will choose NOT to bless our military in combat and might not even bless our Country.

What is YOUR opinion?
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That some still believe this trash, this hateful sewage; we as a nation still have a long way to go...
Man is a very complex creation, few if any are "perfect". If "God" happens to judge us, he will notice how poorly we have treated those less fortuniate that us.....
Lets hope , with this behind us, we can go on to more important things - health care for one.
 
Blackdog said:
So if I kill someone in defense of myself or someone else, this would be considered murder by you? All that says is that critical thinking is not your forte.
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Because you claim it was self defense does not necessarily make it so. The Terrorists claim their killing is self defense as well. I consider it murder just as I do for the tens of thousands of Iraqis we killed to gain interest in their oil.
 
digsbe said:
Show me Biblically where God says that He makes people gay and forces them into homosexuality.
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I doubt that even a shred of evidence exists to this end.....But, its obvious, for those with a dregree of intelligence that man is NOT perfect, that there are goofs along the way..Its how we treat these "goofs" that determines our qualities as man.
 
Ikari said:
Why is it, then, that we prosecute drunk drivers who kill someone for murder?
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They are not charged with murder. It is vehicular manslaughter.

Ikari said:
Hell some dude in a road rage accident who killed someone in CO got Murder 1. He certainly didn't plan on going out that day and killing anyone (Murder 1 being the premeditated form of murder). He just lost his temper and used his car as a weapon and ended up causing a fatal accident. IMO, that is murder as there was clear intent to harm; but not murder 1 since that's supposed to be premeditated.
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He pulled out in front of another car on purpose and slammed on the brakes killing both individuals in the car. That was the first time. This time he slammed into the back of the other car doing 120+ miles an hour. Yes murder 1 fits as that is exactly what he was doing.

Obviously you have no clue what murder is under the law.

Here is the story...

9NEWS.com | Denver | Colorado's Online News Leader | Man charged with murder in crash that killed teens
 
Catawba said:
Because you claim it was self defense does not necessarily make it so.
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I am not claiming anything. I simply stated a fact.


Catawba said:
The Terrorists claim their killing is self defense as well.
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And only a moron would accept that. This of course does not change the definition of murder.

Catawba said:
I consider it murder just as I do for the tens of thousands of Iraqis we killed to gain interest in their oil.
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And there is the rub. It is only your opinion.

According to US law it is "Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought."

So you have no argument as none of the statements you made have any evidence to say they were unlawful in any way, period.

Thanks for playing.
 
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How the HELL did the poll go from one side allllllllll the way to the OTHER? :confused: Now the vast majority is saying the person who said this was WISE!!! Its wasnt even close to that before. Interesting. *raising eyebrow*
 
Badfish420 said:
lolwut? is this really a thread?
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I'm wondering if other mythological entities will feel entitled to bless (or curse) our military for allowing those with differing sexual orientations to finally serve. What would Zeus say? Or Cthulu? Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
 
Blackdog said:
And there is the rub. It is only your opinion.

According to US law it is "Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought."
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Perhaps, but I suspect if there is a God, she doesn't have the same "technically legal" loopholes you allow for killing in wars for oil, just as she wouldn't allow loopholes for killing by the religious extremists.
 
Catawba said:
Perhaps, but I suspect if there is a God, she doesn't have the same "technically legal" loopholes you allow for killing in wars for oil, just as she wouldn't allow loopholes for killing by the religious extremists.
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Nice strawman. :roll:

The lawful definition of a word is now a "legal loophole."

You have yourself a good night.
 
Blackdog said:
Nice strawman. :roll:

The lawful definition of a word is now a "legal loophole."

You have yourself a good night.
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Oh you're probably right, God surely must also use the US definitions of what is lawful killing.
 
Catawba said:
Oh you're probably right, God surely must also use the US definitions of what is lawful killing.
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OK we are done here.

You have a good night.
 
Ikari said:
Why is it, then, that we prosecute drunk drivers who kill someone for murder? Hell some dude in a road rage accident who killed someone in CO got Murder 1. He certainly didn't plan on going out that day and killing anyone (Murder 1 being the premeditated form of murder). He just lost his temper and used his car as a weapon and ended up causing a fatal accident. IMO, that is murder as there was clear intent to harm; but not murder 1 since that's supposed to be premeditated.
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Never mind...saw the link a few posts down from this one.
 
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It's impossible to read the Bible and not see that the Christian God is not decisively anti-homosexual. However it's also impossible to believe in a creator of everything which is living and then exclude homosexuals, their sexuality and behavior.
 
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