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  • God will Continue to bless our Country but not our Military

    1 1.72%
  • God will continue to bless BOTH country and military

    3 5.17%
  • God blesses individuals NOT groups

    7 12.07%
  • God blesses individuals AND groups seperatly

    1 1.72%
  • God doesnt work like this at all!

    10 17.24%
  • I dont believe in God of the Chirstian Bible

    9 15.52%
  • Im an Athiest

    15 25.86%
  • Other / I dont know

    6 10.34%
  • The person that said this to you Noodle is a idiot

    13 22.41%
  • The person that said this to you Noodle is a wise person

    20 34.48%
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Really? Unless we're talking about a different 'God' than the one talked about in the Bible, it really is impossible. If you want to talk about your idea of God? Sure. It's probably possible. However, the God from the Bible is A) anti-homosexual and B) the creator of homosexuality.
    Jesus never said anything about homosexuals, and the homosexual acts condemned in the Bible are related to temple prostitution, and idolatry.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Jesus never said anything about homosexuals, and the homosexual acts condemned in the Bible are related to temple prostitution, and idolatry.
    The fact that Jesus stated that he and God were one and God clearly warned against sodomy and homosexuality makes any talk about what Jesus and "God" did on separate occasions pretty ridiculous. If you believe that Jesus is God, you have to believe he is the same God who clearly opposed homosexuality in the old testament.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The fact that Jesus stated that he and God were one and God clearly warned against sodomy and homosexuality makes any talk about what Jesus and "God" did on separate occasions pretty ridiculous. If you believe that Jesus is God, you have to believe he is the same God who clearly opposed homosexuality in the old testament.
    The old testament doesn't apply to Christians, that was the old covenant with God. With Christ we have a new covenant, and the most important verse in the Bible is John 3:16
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The old testament doesn't apply to Christians, that was the old covenant with God. With Christ we have a new covenant, and the most important verse in the Bible is John 3:16
    Not only are you wrong but what does that have to do with what I said? Jesus is not saying he is a new god. He is stating he is the "God" from the Tanach/Torah, prophecies etc. The God from the Tanach/Torah, prophecies etc is decisively anti-homosexual. It's a very simple concept.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Most do and pay a far higher price for it than you could ever bear.
    I may not be able to bear killing others in war, though I pray I'll never have to find out, nor have to kill in self defense.

    I'm positive that the price is very high. I have many friends that are vets of the Vietnam war. I pray for them. They need and can't get restful sleep. It's not their faults. They were mere instruments of our leaders decisions.

    If killing, maiming, and disemboweling are the righteous acts, why do these men not sleep? The images in their minds are evil, no matter whether they were killing, murdering, or just following orders.

    I'm Pennsylvania Dutch. The Quaker quip was interesting. The Amish live there too, in the Appalachian turkey trails of Belfont. They do not wear mustaches with their beards. They were persecuted in history by military men with mustaches.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Oh, man. Where do I begin?

    The fundamental principle of hermaneutics (interpretation of scripture) is to interpret scripture with more scripture... particularly in immediate context, and scripture relating to similar subjects.

    "Thou shalt not kill" needs context... not kill what? People? Sheep? Bugs? Microbes?

    King David, in his early years at least, was "a man after God's own heart" who was a great warrior and war-leader, whose war-band killed tens of thousands of the enemy.

    "If a thief be found breaking up, and smitten so that he die, no blood shall be shed for him." Killing a thief in the act of breaking and entering is not against OT Law.

    Ask a Jew about the original Hebrew of the Big 10... they'll tell you "Thou shalt not kill" refers to unjustified or unlawful killing, not killing in war or in self-defense.

    In the New Testament, when soldiers who had converted to Christianity came to Jesus and asked him what they should do, he said "do not terrorize the people, and be content with your pay" (ie don't harm innocent civilians or extort them). He didn't tell them to quit being soldiers.

    Almost all Christian denominations recognize that there are many biblical exemptions to "thou shalt not kill", such as war and self-defense.

    Very few denominations other than Quakers hold to a total non-violence philosophy.
    This is the response that I've received before, except that no one before tried to change 'kill' to 'murder'. Maybe there was a mistranslation in 'lie with' a man. I think it is really 'play cards' with a man as he would with a woman.

    EDIT: Oops, that was someone else that mentioned the mistranslation.
    Sorry.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The old testament doesn't apply to Christians, that was the old covenant with God. With Christ we have a new covenant, and the most important verse in the Bible is John 3:16
    The Old Testament is the Law and the Prophets. The Old Law doesn't apply to Christians, but you don't disregard the entire work.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    This is the response that I've received before, except that no one before tried to change 'kill' to 'murder'. Maybe there was a mistranslation in 'lie with' a man. I think it is really 'play cards' with a man as he would with a woman.

    EDIT: Oops, that was someone else that mentioned the mistranslation.
    Sorry.
    "Kill" in English is an all-encompassing verb that covers the taking of life in all forms. That kind of generalization is expressed in Hebrew through the verb "harag." However, the verb that appears in the Torah's prohibition is a completely different one, "ratsah" which, properly rendered is "murder." This refers only to criminal acts of killing in the root of the word.

    The sixth of the ten commandments reads, “Thou shall not kill.” The New International Version translates it, "Thou shall not murder.” This is more accurate because the Hebrew word so translated does not refer to killing in general but to malicious and unlawful killing. - http://www.christianhomesite.com/che...0command6.html

    This is a a good article with excellent detail: "Thou Shalt Not Kill" -- What Does It Mean?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    "Kill" in English is an all-encompassing verb that covers the taking of life in all forms. That kind of generalization is expressed in Hebrew through the verb "harag." However, the verb that appears in the Torah's prohibition is a completely different one, "ratsah" which, properly rendered is "murder." This refers only to criminal acts of killing in the root of the word.

    The sixth of the ten commandments reads, “Thou shall not kill.” The New International Version translates it, "Thou shall not murder.” This is more accurate because the Hebrew word so translated does not refer to killing in general but to malicious and unlawful killing. - http://www.christianhomesite.com/che...0command6.html

    This is a a good article with excellent detail: "Thou Shalt Not Kill" -- What Does It Mean?

    We are indeed lucky that someone discovered an out for our killing!
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We are indeed lucky that someone discovered an out for our killing!
    Murder is always killing. Killing is not always murder.

    At this point you have no argument so no point in continuing.

    Have a good one.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 01-06-11 at 03:02 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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