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  • God will Continue to bless our Country but not our Military

    1 1.72%
  • God will continue to bless BOTH country and military

    3 5.17%
  • God blesses individuals NOT groups

    7 12.07%
  • God blesses individuals AND groups seperatly

    1 1.72%
  • God doesnt work like this at all!

    10 17.24%
  • I dont believe in God of the Chirstian Bible

    9 15.52%
  • Im an Athiest

    15 25.86%
  • Other / I dont know

    6 10.34%
  • The person that said this to you Noodle is a idiot

    13 22.41%
  • The person that said this to you Noodle is a wise person

    20 34.48%
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Which part of "Thou shalt not kill" is confusing for you? Soldiers should repent heavily for the lives that they have taken in battle. God doesn't bless active warriors, but should accept those that know that they have sinned.

    Oh, man. Where do I begin?

    The fundamental principle of hermaneutics (interpretation of scripture) is to interpret scripture with more scripture... particularly in immediate context, and scripture relating to similar subjects.

    "Thou shalt not kill" needs context... not kill what? People? Sheep? Bugs? Microbes?

    King David, in his early years at least, was "a man after God's own heart" who was a great warrior and war-leader, whose war-band killed tens of thousands of the enemy.

    "If a thief be found breaking up, and smitten so that he die, no blood shall be shed for him." Killing a thief in the act of breaking and entering is not against OT Law.

    Ask a Jew about the original Hebrew of the Big 10... they'll tell you "Thou shalt not kill" refers to unjustified or unlawful killing, not killing in war or in self-defense.

    In the New Testament, when soldiers who had converted to Christianity came to Jesus and asked him what they should do, he said "do not terrorize the people, and be content with your pay" (ie don't harm innocent civilians or extort them). He didn't tell them to quit being soldiers.

    Almost all Christian denominations recognize that there are many biblical exemptions to "thou shalt not kill", such as war and self-defense.

    Very few denominations other than Quakers hold to a total non-violence philosophy.

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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Which part of "Thou shalt not kill" is confusing for you? Soldiers should repent heavily for the lives that they have taken in battle. God doesn't bless active warriors, but should accept those that know that they have sinned.
    Ummm... It actually does not say that. It says "thou shall not murder" the word "kill" was a mistranslation in the KJV. Goshin covered the rest in his excellent post above.

    Killing does not always involve murder.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post

    Killing does not always involve murder.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The terrorist's PR people would love you guys!
    So if I kill someone in defense of myself or someone else, this would be considered murder by you? All that says is that critical thinking is not your forte.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So if I kill someone in defense of myself or someone else, this would be considered murder by you? All that says is that critical thinking is not your forte.
    Yes - technically it's all murder.
    "It's just murder, man . . . everyone's doing it" (vibe Mickey Knox)

    But it's a different *degree* of murder - which points to it's acceptance, frequency or punishment.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yes - technically it's all murder.
    "It's just murder, man . . . everyone's doing it" (vibe Mickey Knox)

    But it's a different *degree* of murder - which points to it's acceptance, frequency or punishment.

    No ma'am. Legally it is homicide. Murder is premeditated. A legal killing (self-defense, war) is not murder under law.

    You can argue just or unjust. You can argue whether a given war is itself just, or unjust... but soldiers don't get to make that distinction, they serve the nation and the nation's leaders decide whether to go to war or not. If the war is unjust, it is on those leaders who authorized the war and said "let this be done", not on the soldier. He is simply doing his duty.

    Killing in self-defense is not legally murder. You may be charged with murder, but if the defense of self-defense is upheld you will not be guilty of murder, legally. It is termed a "justified homicide".

    Murder is an emotion-charged term that defines an unjust, premeditated killing. If I kill a man to stop him from killing/raping/etc an innocent person, how is my action unjust? I have prevented an injustice. How could it be premeditated? I did not seek out the situation, it happened by someone else's intentions.

    You are misusing that word very egregiously.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Which part of "Thou shalt not kill" is confusing for you? Soldiers should repent heavily for the lives that they have taken in battle. God doesn't bless active warriors, but should accept those that know that they have sinned.
    Isn't it "Thou shalt not murder"?
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Which part of "Thou shalt not kill" is confusing for you? Soldiers should repent heavily for the lives that they have taken in battle. God doesn't bless active warriors, but should accept those that know that they have sinned.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yes - technically it's all murder.
    "It's just murder, man . . . everyone's doing it" (vibe Mickey Knox)

    But it's a different *degree* of murder - which points to it's acceptance, frequency or punishment.
    Murder is the unlawful killing of a person by another person.

    That's why PETAphiles who call hunting/fishing/meat eating "murder" doesn't cut it.

    Neither does equating our soldiers to murder.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So if I kill someone in defense of myself or someone else, this would be considered murder by you? All that says is that critical thinking is not your forte.
    Yes it's murder. Murder being the intential taking of another human's life. It's legal, as well it should be. You are most certainly entitled to defend life, liberty, and property. However, it's still murder as you've still killed someone.
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