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  • God will Continue to bless our Country but not our Military

    1 1.72%
  • God will continue to bless BOTH country and military

    3 5.17%
  • God blesses individuals NOT groups

    7 12.07%
  • God blesses individuals AND groups seperatly

    1 1.72%
  • God doesnt work like this at all!

    10 17.24%
  • I dont believe in God of the Chirstian Bible

    9 15.52%
  • Im an Athiest

    15 25.86%
  • Other / I dont know

    6 10.34%
  • The person that said this to you Noodle is a idiot

    13 22.41%
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    20 34.48%
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The problem is the KJV. It is a good Bible, but the first real attempt at translating Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic into Old English, notice the term "old English." Since that time the translations from the original languages have gotten better and corrected. In defense of the KJV it is still morally the same and the overall message is as good as the more modern translations. This does not however change the fact mistakes in translations were made.
    OK, so there are more accurate translations in other Bibles. "Thall shalt not murder" is the better translation, and it's because some mortal linguistics expert says that it is so. That's good enough for me, because I believe that soldiers in opposing armies are in fact murdering each other.

    Do I then qualify for conscientious objector status with the Selective Service based upon my beliefs?
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    OK, so there are more accurate translations in other Bibles. "Thall shalt not murder" is the better translation, and it's because some mortal linguistics expert says that it is so. That's good enough for me, because I believe that soldiers in opposing armies are in fact murdering each other.
    It does not fit the accepted modern definition of murder...

    n. the killing of a human being by a sane person, with intent, malice aforethought (prior intention to kill the particular victim or anyone who gets in the way) and with no legal excuse or authority. In those clear circumstances, this is first degree murder. - http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1303

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Do I then qualify for conscientious objector status with the Selective Service based upon my beliefs?
    According to the law, no. I think you would be though based purely on my opinion.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    I read your post. Why couldn't someone stop an attacker from hurting someone else without shooting them dead?
    By preference, if I can stop someone without killing them, I will. However, this is often not feasible when a situation has escalated to the point that someone is trying to kill someone.

    If your conscience tells you that you must never kill, then more power to you, and I hope your conviction is never tested to the extreme.

    I for one believe total pacifism to be an immoral position, because it allows evil to flourish unresisted. Yes, I include refusing to kill in that definition. I've explained more than adequately why I believe the Bible, in a holistic context, allows for justifiable killing.

    We're just going to have to agree to disagree.

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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    By preference, if I can stop someone without killing them, I will. However, this is often not feasible when a situation has escalated to the point that someone is trying to kill someone.

    If your conscience tells you that you must never kill, then more power to you, and I hope your conviction is never tested to the extreme.

    I for one believe total pacifism to be an immoral position, because it allows evil to flourish unresisted. Yes, I include refusing to kill in that definition. I've explained more than adequately why I believe the Bible, in a holistic context, allows for justifiable killing.

    We're just going to have to agree to disagree.
    It's really not that bad. I mean it's right alongside Not respecting your parents, or Giving false witness to your neighbor, Cheating on your wife, Coveting your neighbor's wife, new car, etc.

    Jesus died for our sins. All I'm suggesting is that he who kills others, should pray for forgiveness from God for the taking of another life. I think it would relieve a huge burden.

    It was your link that went into depth above how much God values life. Soldiers have to follow their orders without God's blessing.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It does not fit the accepted modern definition of murder...

    n. the killing of a human being by a sane person, with intent, malice aforethought (prior intention to kill the particular victim or anyone who gets in the way) and with no legal excuse or authority. In those clear circumstances, this is first degree murder. - Legal Dictionary | Law.com



    According to the law, no. I think you would be though based purely on my opinion.
    Murder: Second degree



    Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.

    For example, Dan comes home to find his wife in bed with Victor. At a stoplight the next day, Dan sees Victor riding in the passenger seat of a nearby car. Dan pulls out a gun and fires three shots into the car, missing Victor but killing the driver of the car.

    Murder: Second degree - Criminal Law
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Murder: Second degree

    Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.

    For example, Dan comes home to find his wife in bed with Victor. At a stoplight the next day, Dan sees Victor riding in the passenger seat of a nearby car. Dan pulls out a gun and fires three shots into the car, missing Victor but killing the driver of the car.

    Murder: Second degree - Criminal Law
    n. the killing of a human being by a sane person, with intent, malice aforethought (prior intention to kill the particular victim or anyone who gets in the way) and with no legal excuse or authority. In those clear circumstances, this is first degree murder. By statute, many states consider a killing in which there is torture, movement of the person before the killing (kidnapping) or the death of a police officer or prison guard, or it was as an incident to another crime (as during a hold-up or rape), to be first degree murder, with or without premeditation and with malice presumed. Second degree murder is such a killing without premeditation, as in the heat of passion or in a sudden quarrel or fight. - Legal Dictionary | Law.com

    Legal excuse and authority applies to all types of murder.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    It's really not that bad. I mean it's right alongside Not respecting your parents, or Giving false witness to your neighbor, Cheating on your wife, Coveting your neighbor's wife, new car, etc.

    Jesus died for our sins. All I'm suggesting is that he who kills others, should pray for forgiveness from God for the taking of another life. I think it would relieve a huge burden.

    It was your link that went into depth above how much God values life. Soldiers have to follow their orders without God's blessing.
    Mickey, I was ready to drop it. Obviously we aren't going to agree, and there's no point in butting heads forever. But then I got to the bolded sentence... and I just cannot let that stand.

    My father fought in WW2 against the Nazis. You know, the Nazis, those wild and crazy guys who committed the mass murder of jews, socialists, gypsies, homosexuals, and basically anybody else they didn't like, in death camps, by the millions? Who wanted to run the world likewise? You're going to try to tell me that God would have preferred that we not use violence against the Nazis? Perhaps harsh language would have sufficed? Maybe we should have simply surrendered to them? Can you suggest a non-violent solution for dealing with Hitler that doesn't involve simply letting him murder millions of innocent people?

    And you think the soldiers who fought that war to stop that evil were anathema in God's sight because they were killing Nazi's?

    Psalm 144
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    Blessed be the Lord my Strength, who teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight....
    1 Samuel 16
    Samuel said unto Jesse, Send and fetch him: for we will not sit down till he come hither. ...And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this [is] he. Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward.
    1 Samuel 17
    Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied. ...
    And David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang [it], and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the stone sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth....
    Therefore David ran, and stood upon the Philistine, and took his sword, and drew it out of the sheath thereof, and slew him, and cut off his head therewith. And when the Philistines saw their champion was dead, they fled.
    Does God ever bless soldiers or armies?

    1 Chronicles 11
    He was with David at Pasdammim, and there the Philistines were gathered together to battle, where was a parcel of ground full of barley; and the people fled from before the Philistines.
    And they set themselves in the midst of [that] parcel, and delivered it, and slew the Philistines; and the LORD saved [them] by a great deliverance.
    Judges 15
    And] when he came unto Lehi, the Philistines shouted against him: and the Spirit of the LORD came mightily upon him, and the cords that [were] upon his arms became as flax that was burnt with fire, and his bands loosed from off his hands.
    And he found a new jawbone of an ass, and put forth his hand, and took it, and slew a thousand men therewith.
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    And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
    Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Does God ever bless soldiers or armies?
    Has God ever blessed a soldier or an amry that wasn't Jewish?
    So follow me into the desert
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    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Has God ever blessed a soldier or an amry that wasn't Jewish?
    Does the 3rd Reich run Europe? No? Then I think the Allied army got blessed... 'cuz they were up against the toughest war machine in the world.

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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Does the 3rd Reich run Europe? No? Then I think the Allied army got blessed... 'cuz they were up against the toughest war machine in the world.
    So he blessed the Soviets, but not the French?
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