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  • God will Continue to bless our Country but not our Military

    1 1.72%
  • God will continue to bless BOTH country and military

    3 5.17%
  • God blesses individuals NOT groups

    7 12.07%
  • God blesses individuals AND groups seperatly

    1 1.72%
  • God doesnt work like this at all!

    10 17.24%
  • I dont believe in God of the Chirstian Bible

    9 15.52%
  • Im an Athiest

    15 25.86%
  • Other / I dont know

    6 10.34%
  • The person that said this to you Noodle is a idiot

    13 22.41%
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    20 34.48%
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    You can throw as many bible verses as you want to try to justify it, but my statement still stands. People tend to cherry pick issues that they care about and try to justify them, and then throw the others by the wayside and believe them without the same kind of scrutiny.
    Doc, Blackhawk and I were explaining, within the context of Christianity, why most Christians believe that killing is sometimes justified, and using scripture to explain it.
    In the thread "Church and Homosexuality", myself, Blackhawk and Baron exhaustively analyzed Christian scripture about homosexuality, including delving into the original Greek and Hebrew and discussing ancient social and religious practices in debate with CT.

    I don't think you can rightly accuse either of us of cherry picking and ignoring what we will in either case. Both issues have been subjected to in-depth analysis within the context of Christianity.

    If you want to take it outside that context, then that's an entirely different matter, but we were speaking as Christians about Christian beliefs.

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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    You can throw as many bible verses as you want to try to justify it, but my statement still stands.
    Oh I have no problem with it standing, but it is not on the mark as far as scripture and homosexuality are concerned.

    I have no problem with the spirit of your statement. It is the reference to homosexuality and the Bible that needed to be corrected according to what the Bible says.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    People tend to cherry pick issues that they care about and try to justify them, and then throw the others by the wayside and believe them without the same kind of scrutiny.
    I absolutely agree.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Doc, Blackhawk and I were explaining, within the context of Christianity, why most Christians believe that killing is sometimes justified, and using scripture to explain it.
    In the thread "Church and Homosexuality", myself, Blackhawk and Baron exhaustively analyzed Christian scripture about homosexuality, including delving into the original Greek and Hebrew and discussing ancient social and religious practices in debate with CT.

    I don't think you can rightly accuse either of us of cherry picking and ignoring what we will in either case. Both issues have been subjected to in-depth analysis within the context of Christianity.

    If you want to take it outside that context, then that's an entirely different matter, but we were speaking as Christians about Christian beliefs.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Hey! That's Blackdog to you Mr!


    Dude, don't know what I was thinking.

    Well, actually I do. I have an Indian bud whose name is Blackhawk.

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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Since I was taught in the Lutheran Sunday schools back in the early sixties, I thought I'd recheck my "word of God" from my current Bible. I have the King James Study Bible, copyright 1988. The commandment is clearly printed as: "Thou shall not Kill".

    So, if my Bible uses the incorrect translation of the commandment, would someone please explain to me the status of conscientious objector as it is viewed by the US Selective Service department?
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    I almost bought a book the other day about mistranslations of words and so on in various religious books and important documents - it was in the linguistics section at the bookstore. It explored the legitimate roots of words with close regard to origins and common usage in that specific time period.

    It covered the Christian Bible and many other things.

    I wish I bought it but it was like $30.00 - but it would have been very interesting indeed.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Since I was taught in the Lutheran Sunday schools back in the early sixties, I thought I'd recheck my "word of God" from my current Bible. I have the King James Study Bible, copyright 1988. The commandment is clearly printed as: "Thou shall not Kill".

    So, if my Bible uses the incorrect translation of the commandment, would someone please explain to me the status of conscientious objector as it is viewed by the US Selective Service department?
    I don't know about the C.O. issue, so I won't address it.

    I would like to call your attention to a Reformed Theology position paper that explains some of how most denominations view the sixth commandment...

    From these obligations we may discern three basic prohibitions. First, we are, in a passive sense, to do no willful harm. Second, in a positive sense, we are to promote the well-being of others and therefore, to protect from harm. Third, we are not unjustifiably or unlawfully to take a life.

    It is immediately apparent that these three responsibilities may come in conflict with one another. For example, the duty to do no harm to someone who might be attacking another person with malicious intent may come in conflict with the duty to protect from hard the one being attacked. Within the Reformed tradition, historically there has been weight towards the obligation to protect from harm when that duty is in conflict with the obligation to do no harm. This has been based on the judgment that protecting from harm is ordinarily more in keeping with respect for life.
    It is on that judgment, for example, that when an attacker is threatening the life of another who is innocent or does not seek to do harm, we are not permitted the luxury of non-action or of pacifism, for that is not consistent with respect for life that is in keeping with God’s ordering.
    Evangelical Presbyterian Church > Position Paper on the Value of and Respect for Human Life

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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I don't know about the C.O. issue, so I won't address it.

    I would like to call your attention to a Reformed Theology position paper that explains some of how most denominations view the sixth commandment...



    Evangelical Presbyterian Church > Position Paper on the Value of and Respect for Human Life
    You would know about CO status if you had clicked on my link:
    Quote Originally Posted by Selective Service
    CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION AND ALTERNATIVE SERVICE

    A conscientious objector is one who is opposed to serving in the armed forces and/or bearing arms on the grounds of moral or religious principles.

    HOW TO APPLY
    In general, once a man gets a notice that he has been found qualified for military service, he has the opportunity to make a claim for classification as a conscientious objector (CO). A registrant making a claim for Conscientious Objection is required to appear before his local board to explain his beliefs.

    He may provide written documentation or include personal appearances by people he knows who can attest to his claims. His written statement might explain:

    how he arrived at his beliefs; and

    the influence his beliefs have had on how he lives his life.

    The local board will decide whether to grant or deny a CO classification based on the evidence a registrant has presented.

    A man may appeal a Local Board's decision to a Selective Service District Appeal Board. If the Appeal Board also denies his claim, but the vote is not unanimous, he may further appeal the decision to the National Appeal Board. See also Classifications.

    WHO QUALIFIES?
    Beliefs which qualify a registrant for CO status may be religious in nature, but don't have to be. Beliefs may be moral or ethical; however, a man's reasons for not wanting to participate in a war must not be based on politics, expediency, or self-interest. In general, the man's lifestyle prior to making his claim must reflect his current claims.

    SERVICE AS A CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR
    Two types of service are available to conscientious objectors, and the type assigned is determined by the individual's specific beliefs. The person who is opposed to any form of military service will be assigned to Alternative Service - described below. The person whose beliefs allow him to serve in the military but in a noncombatant capacity will serve in the Armed Forces but will not be assigned training or duties that include using weapons.

    ALTERNATIVE SERVICE
    Conscientious Objectors opposed to serving in the military will be placed in the Selective Service Alternative Service Program. This program attempts to match COs with local employers. Many types of jobs are available, however the job must be deemed to make a meaningful contribution to the maintenance of the national health, safety, and interest. Examples of Alternative Service are jobs in:

    conservation

    caring for the very young or very old

    education

    health care

    Length of service in the program will equal the amount of time a man would have served in the military, usually 24 months.
    I read your post. Why couldn't someone stop an attacker from hurting someone else without shooting them dead?
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Since I was taught in the Lutheran Sunday schools back in the early sixties, I thought I'd recheck my "word of God" from my current Bible. I have the King James Study Bible, copyright 1988. The commandment is clearly printed as: "Thou shall not Kill".

    So, if my Bible uses the incorrect translation of the commandment, would someone please explain to me the status of conscientious objector as it is viewed by the US Selective Service department?
    The problem is the KJV. It is a good Bible, but the first real attempt at translating Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic into Old English, notice the term "old English." Since that time the translations from the original languages have gotten better and corrected. In defense of the KJV it is still morally the same and the overall message is as good as the more modern translations. This does not however change the fact mistakes in translations were made.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Will God Bless the Military Beacuse of New Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    You would know about CO status if you had clicked on my link:


    I read your post. Why couldn't someone stop an attacker from hurting someone else without shooting them dead?
    Well if you want to take that chance you be my guest. As an X- LEO we were trained to protect ourselves and use lethal force if necessary. In the military the other guys are trying to kill us, end of story.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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