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Same sex marriage: what is it really?

What is same sex marriage?


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Actually, your argument is justified based on yours (who is fallable) and other mortal men's (who are fallable) interpritation of what they believe god stated through the recollection of other mortal men (who were fallable). As such, said justification only truly works with regards to others that employee your same interpritation of the same set of words to meaning the same thing. Additionally, while what you believe god thinks is perfectly fine as a justification for why you vote a certain way or why you propose a certain law personally, ultimately "because god doesn't like it" is not a justification in any way for allowing a law that is unconstitutional. At least not in any kind of legal sense. You may feel it MORALLY justifies it, but that...frankly...is irrelevant.

It is absolutely justified as allot of things that are "unconstitutional" seem to be law. Many things that were constitutional are now not.

No matter how you put it, makes no difference. My position is justified and until gay's can marry it is not a law and acceptable.
 
I as an American citizen can certainly force what I want as far as laws go any way I wish. That is what our court system is for.

SO no nothing has been "debunked" no matter how much you rant about it. :lol:

They think "it's non of your buisness" is a valid reason why we should support something.
 
like i said that has been thoroughly debunked because it can easily be argued anti-american and hypocritical. YOUR god has no business in other peoples affairs as far as AMERICA is concerned LOL

According to whom? You? The founders would be laughing at you. I don't even have to say anything because that is so stupid.

How fast you would change your tune if somebody wanted to infringe on your religion.

Sixty-four percent of the American people believe that religion is "under attack," according to a new poll released today by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). The poll found that 53 percent of Americans likewise believe that religion as a whole is "losing its influence in American life." - Poll: Americans Believe Religion Is 'Under Attack' -- Majority Says Religion is 'Losing Influence' In American Life

You should THANK your god you live in america and are free to believe in him. Thank your god that someone like me would fight for YOUR right to do so while you dont care about others.

No. You should thank God I did serve my country so ignorant asses could say what they want.

You have not protected me from anything. You disgust me.
 
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In short, your desire to force theocracy is nothing short of tyranny and the very reason why the rest of us have guns.

Hehehehehehehe! Talk about over the top nonsense.
 
Hehehehehehehe! Talk about over the top nonsense.

It's not nonsense when you want to subjugate me to the rules of your god.
 
It's not nonsense when you want to subjugate me to the rules of your god.

No I don't. I want you to respect the fact I don't want marriage redefined. The reasons I don't want it redefined are irrelevant.

Yes saying I want "theocracy" etc is very much over the top.
 
The divorce of people I will never meet has and likely will again directly harm me through the communal cost of divorce and the resulting juvenile crime rate. That makes it my business.

I think that perhaps that's a bit of a stretch. And even if it were true, I'd take that as a consequence of freedom. I don't see how the government can force people to marry or not marry. It needs to be an individual decision; and whatever comes of that is just a consequence of freedom. We can make similar arguments about all rights in general. They're dangerous, because people are free and the system is reactive, someone will take advantage. We have to pay the costs of the crime, of rising insurance (if it were called into play by said crime), of the judicial system, of housing prisoners, etc. But in the end, that's part of the consequences of choosing freedom over Big Brother. We're necessarily going to have a more dangerous situation, one which we may have to pay a bit more into, deal with a bit more crime, etc. But it's better than the alternative. I don't want people's expectation of social engineering enforced through law. Or if we do, it will be MY social engineering. I am negatively impacted by idiots all the time, be it on the road, their poor decisions which lead to legislative, procedural changes or crimes, etc. It's my business. Thus all stupid people (as defined by me) should be castrated as to prevent future stupid people from being in my way. I like it!
 
No I don't. I want you to respect the fact I don't want marriage redefined. The reasons I don't want it redefined are irrelevant.

Yes saying I want "theocracy" etc is very much over the top.

It's not over the top if you try to get your religious definitions enforced by government. I don't care how you personally wish to define marriage. You can do it any ol' way your heart desires. But when you try to get that upheld through government force; then we're talking a different ball game. I'll respect your right to hold an opinion on what you think marriage should be. But you have no right to use government to enforce that definition.
 
No. You should thank God I did serve my country so ignorant asses could say what they want.

You have not protected me from anything. You disgust me.

She doesn't realize that without Christian principals ruling this country, she would be wearing a burka.

View her slander and contempt as her enjoying the gift you helped provide with your service.
 
She doesn't realize that without Christian principals ruling this country, she would be wearing a burka.

View her slander and contempt as her enjoying the gift you helped provide with your service.

Why the hell would I wear a burka? I'm atheist...and a man, man. We don't have to dress up in silly cloths or not eat pork (which, BTW, is how I define a religion to be wrong. If you forbid to consumption of pork, your religion is wrong).
 
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I think that perhaps that's a bit of a stretch. And even if it were true, I'd take that as a consequence of freedom. I don't see how the government can force people to marry or not marry. It needs to be an individual decision; and whatever comes of that is just a consequence of freedom. We can make similar arguments about all rights in general. They're dangerous, because people are free and the system is reactive, someone will take advantage. We have to pay the costs of the crime, of rising insurance (if it were called into play by said crime), of the judicial system, of housing prisoners, etc. But in the end, that's part of the consequences of choosing freedom over Big Brother. We're necessarily going to have a more dangerous situation, one which we may have to pay a bit more into, deal with a bit more crime, etc. But it's better than the alternative. I don't want people's expectation of social engineering enforced through law. Or if we do, it will be MY social engineering. I am negatively impacted by idiots all the time, be it on the road, their poor decisions which lead to legislative, procedural changes or crimes, etc. It's my business. Thus all stupid people (as defined by me) should be castrated as to prevent future stupid people from being in my way. I like it!

Oh, so when the Harm Principal applies and is breached, the justification is "consider it the cost of freedom".

Very good, then, I don't care that gays are being needlessly harmed by anti-GM legislation, consider it the cost of freedom.
 
Oh, so when the Harm Principal applies and is breached, the justification is "consider it the cost of freedom".

Very good, then, I don't care that gays are being needlessly harmed by anti-GM legislation, consider it the cost of freedom.

Yours is a cost of tyranny. I didn't say that we don't police wrong doing or let criminals go. It's that we can't control people and bad things will happen; and when they do we can enact government force, but not before hand. That's a cost of freedom. The oppression of a certain sect of society through government force because they go against some religious teaching is a cost of tyranny.
 
Why the hell would I wear a burka? I'm atheist...and a man, man. We don't have to dress up in silly cloths or not eat pork (which, BTW, is how I define a religion to be wrong. If you forbid to consumption of pork, your religion is wrong).

That's right, my bad, your arranged wife would be wearing a burka while you would be praying 5 times a day, atheist or no.
 
Yours is a cost of tyranny. I didn't say that we don't police wrong doing or let criminals go. It's that we can't control people and bad things will happen; and when they do we can enact government force, but not before hand. That's a cost of freedom. The oppression of a certain sect of society through government force because they go against some religious teaching is a cost of tyranny.

Right, right, because even though gay relations are strictly against Christian texts, here I am, a Christian, on this thread ready to give support to legislation which allowed gay marriage. Sure, whatever.
 
Right, right, because even though gay relations are strictly against Christian texts, here I am, a Christian, on this thread ready to give support to legislation which allowed gay marriage. Sure, whatever.

I've noticed an interesting pattern with conservatives like you and NP. You guys say you support something until it actually comes up and then you keep moving the goal posts on it. For you, you "support" same sex marriage, but only if it is restricted to couples who have children.

That goal post strategy allows you to claim you support something that you actually don't support. It doesn't fool people though, so I don't know why you use it.
 
I as an American citizen can certainly force what I want as far as laws go any way I wish. That is what our court system is for.

SO no nothing has been "debunked" no matter how much you rant about it. :lol:

Actually it has been, you can deny that reality all you want but per the discussion it as been clearly debunked and your beliefs will never change that.

It can easily be argued hypocritical and anti-american among many other things that in fact makes it debunked for this discussion. LMAO

As an american citizen it is wrong to discriminate,thats another reason

I know its because of your beliefs and thats fine they are yours to have but I find it even more hypocritical of you since you are black. You essentially would vote and fight to discriminate against gays the same way racist tried to vote against blacks for different things including interracial marriage. I know you obviously dont care but I find that so sad and it makes me pray to MY god for you and people like you. I hope Im right and you are wrong so we BOTH get to where we want to go.
 
Really the founders thoughts on rights came from a more humanist perspective, that we have rights simply because we are human.

um.... the Founders often went to some length to specifically place those rights as being the gift of God; i'd like to see some kind of evidence for this claim.
 
It's not nonsense when you want to subjugate me to the rules of your god.

:) my God says no murder. so it's too late; i'm already forcing you to live under His laws :D
 
That's right, my bad, your arranged wife would be wearing a burka while you would be praying 5 times a day, atheist or no.

**** that. Praying is a pointless endevour, it gets you nothing. Action gets you places. I wouldn't be sitting around praying all the time, and my wife would be super sexy and wearing a miniskirt all the time. Hehehe
 
Right, right, because even though gay relations are strictly against Christian texts, here I am, a Christian, on this thread ready to give support to legislation which allowed gay marriage. Sure, whatever.

That was in response to your "I don't care that gays are being needlessly harmed by anti-GM legislation, consider it the cost of freedom". statement. I was clarifying why that is not a cost of freedom, but rather a cost of tyranny. I know you weren't saying that seriously, I was just saying that the situation you came up with is a cost of tyranny since it imposes government force BEFORE rights are violated. That was it man. Come on, let's not play the hyperbole card.
 
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:) my God says no murder. so it's too late; i'm already forcing you to live under His laws :D

Your god can say whatever it wants. Our laws are based on the rights and liberties of the individual, which is why murder is illegal. Not because some god some dude says exists said so, but rather because the act itself infringes upon the rights of others. Notice there is no law to keep holy the sabbath day.
 
**** that. Praying is a pointless endevour, it gets you nothing. Action gets you places. I wouldn't be sitting around praying all the time, and my wife would be super sexy and wearing a miniskirt all the time. Hehehe

Actually, evidence has shown that there are a lot of psychological benefits to praying. It reduces stress and protects against depression. It also gives an opportunity for self reflection.
 
Actually, evidence has shown that there are a lot of psychological benefits to praying. It reduces stress and protects against depression. It also gives an opportunity for self reflection.

So does petting a cat.
 
According to whom? You? The founders would be laughing at you. I don't even have to say anything because that is so stupid.

Translation: you cant argue against it



Sixty-four percent of the American people believe that religion is "under attack," according to a new poll released today by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). The poll found that 53 percent of Americans likewise believe that religion as a whole is "losing its influence in American life." - Poll: Americans Believe Religion Is 'Under Attack' -- Majority Says Religion is 'Losing Influence' In American Life

This means NOTHING to the debate at hand LOL

No. You should thank God I did serve my country so ignorant asses could say what they want.

You have not protected me from anything. You disgust me.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ignorant asses?
"I" disgust you?

You mean the kind of ignorant ass or disgusting type person thats wants YOU to be able to believe what you want but also wants OTHERS to have the SAME freedoms?

You mean the kind of ignorant ass or disgusting type person that doesnt want fellow americans discriminated based on sexuality?

You mean the kind of ignorant ass or disgusting type person that believes in the freedoms of ALL americans including the "sinning homos"?


WOW :applaud

Thanks buddy for showing me how to be a good "tolerant" AMERICAN or was that you showing me how to be a good "tolerant" god believing person?

Ive never seen somebody with so much egg on their face and expose themselves so badly.Disgusting indeed.

Man the nerve of a person like me looking out for my fellow americans :2rofll:


I am GLAD that you think that of me because that lets me KNOW that Im right, it lets me know that Im for my fellow americans and that the people like you that are only out for themselves get upset and cry about it :D:laughat:

this actually makes me VERY happy and makes my day!
Thank You
 
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