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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    But it wouldn't be legal in those states according to you. They would just recogniz marriages performed in other states.

    Gawd I love the hole you dug yourself.
    That argument has merit when every state has to recognize a concealed carry license from every other state.

    So, it sounds like we need to address states recognizing perfectly legal licenses from other states. What kind of license is largely peripheral.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Of course equality is not the ONLY way gays lie about their cause. I understand this.
    And of course this demonstrates that you DON'T underststand the issue. Or that you're just making stuff up. Or both.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And of course this demonstrates that you DON'T underststand the issue. Or that you're just making stuff up. Or both.
    I've read it from your own posts, even. That the family argument was merely the best way to win gay marriage because it worked while the equality argument doesn't. It's whatever it takes to win gay marriage, honest representation be damned. Gays will take whatever argument they think will win, which is the only reason why they use the equality argument and try to channel it through Loving.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Gays will take whatever argument they think will win, which is the only reason why they use the equality argument and try to channel it through Loving.
    Yeah, jeez, anyone would think that they wanted to get married.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Yeah, jeez, anyone would think that they wanted to get married.
    All kinds of people want to get married. So what?

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I've read it from your own posts, even. That the family argument was merely the best way to win gay marriage because it worked while the equality argument doesn't. It's whatever it takes to win gay marriage, honest representation be damned. Gays will take whatever argument they think will win, which is the only reason why they use the equality argument and try to channel it through Loving.
    No, Jerry, that is complete mischaracterization. The family argument is the best way to win the gay marriage debate because it is logical and is not strictly relevant to gay marriage. It is relevant to ALL marriage. I would argue it whether GM was legal or not. I would also argue it, and HAVE argued it as the main reason why MARRIAGE should remain a legal institution in the US. Go read a few of my debates with Panache, our resident "there should be no government sanctioned marriage" poster for reference. The family argument is not as you are characterizing it. You make it sound like it is a lie to win the GM debate. Which it absolutely is not.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I've read it from your own posts, even. That the family argument was merely the best way to win gay marriage because it worked while the equality argument doesn't. It's whatever it takes to win gay marriage, honest representation be damned. Gays will take whatever argument they think will win, which is the only reason why they use the equality argument and try to channel it through Loving.
    Uh...duh?

    You act like this is some sort of diabolical act. You do realize that the anti same sex marriage side is using whatever it takes to defeat marriage equality? Have you seen those NOM ads where they argue that marriage equality is an attack on religious liberty or that it will destroy the fabric of society?

    The fact is that every individual who supports marriage equality has their own reasons. There is no "the gays". Some gays want same sex marriage because of equality. Some gays want it because they have families or they plan to start families. Some gays want it just for the benefits. Some gays don't even want it and think it is a terrible idea. There is no evil collaboration of "the gays" with a single agenda in mind. That is the fantasy of Dobson and other right wing nuts.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    All kinds of people want to get married. So what?
    Like who? Which types of people wish to enter into a marriage contract, who can't besides same sex couples?

    Incestuous couples? Haven't seen a huge movement for this? When they come along, we can deal with it. And there are valid arguments for limiting these types of relationships, which would be very similar to laws/rules limiting relationships between teachers and students.

    Pedophiles? Wait, they really wouldn't since most pedophiles aren't attracted to a type of person but rather an age of a person, so they really wouldn't be making permanent commitments. Not that the objects of their affections could legally enter into any contract with them anyway.

    Those in love with animals/an animal? Except again, the object of their affections cannot enter into any legal contract with them. Plus, sex with animals is animal cruelty. There is no way to know whether or not the animal would actually consent to the sex or the relationship even. I'm pretty sure that a person has to be of sound mind to enter into a legal marriage with someone.

    Polyamorous people? Now this one you could say does, except the current marriage license, including its rights/responsibilities, could not legally cover these relationships. Who has legal say for each of the other participants in the marriage? And how exactly would the rules work for allowing more people into the contract?

    None of the things I mentioned apply to changing one thing about marriage licenses/laws that would allow men to marry men and women to marry women, the law concerning the gender of those involved in the contract. There are no questions about who would have legal responsibility concerning the other person involved in the marriage. There is not conflict about the people not legally being able to consent to join in the contract together. And there is no question that the contract is actually needed to actually make the two people legal family, since they wouldn't be legal family without the contract. And their relationship is legal. Homosexual relationships are considered normal, healthy relationships by all major medical associations, unlike incestuous relationships that don't already have legal rights to marry (I think cousins should be allowed to marry everywhere, btw, since they can marry in a number of states already and these are federally recognized marriages).
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I've read it from your own posts, even. That the family argument was merely the best way to win gay marriage because it worked while the equality argument doesn't. It's whatever it takes to win gay marriage, honest representation be damned. Gays will take whatever argument they think will win, which is the only reason why they use the equality argument and try to channel it through Loving.
    You miss the point of course. You seem to think there is only one reason why people support SSM, when in fact there are several. For the family is one, to promote monogamy is one, fairness is one, and there are others. The strongest argument is the family argument, but it is not the only argument. Having multiple reasons for supporting something does not mean that those other reasons are lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Like who? Which types of people wish to enter into a marriage contract, who can't besides same sex couples?
    Poligamists. What you have something against Muslims? Discrimination.

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