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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I've heard this one before. Sorry, but I feel this is naive in the extreme. Being married doesn't make promiscuous people faithful.
    Yet, you have no evidence of this. All of your suppositions are based on something that doesn't exist. You cannot compare straight marriage with gay relationships. That's like comparing apples and airplanes. That's why this entire line is invalid.



    I'm not anti-gay. I'm simply not a supporter of the concept of gay marriage. If you feel my source is wrong in it's assertion simply provide one that supports your contention. Then I'll provide another one that will support my contention. Then you will simply denigrate my source and provide another one supporting your contention. I'm ready. How bout you?
    I will denigrate any source that has no validity. And will prove it's invalid for research methodological reasons, too. But let's try this. You want sources that show that children reared in households do as well as those in straight households? I can certainly provide sources for this.



    See, denigrate my source. At least I provided one. You start. I'll follow up.
    An invalid source is not a source. Sorry. Post the links to the actual studies so we can take a look at them.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Some do not know what marriage is, nor its purpose.
    To the homosexuals I say this..
    Sorry about your predicament, but we designed marriage for one man and one woman, with the end result being procreation..
    At the time when marriage was being designed and implemented, a few hundred thousand years back in time, no one in their right mind ever thought about the homosexual thing.
    A civil union is fine with me.
    Oh? Who designed "marriage"? Who wrote it up... any documents or evidence that might show this, as well as why homosexuals were not allowed to marry?
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    The spartans. I should have thought you were aware of this?
    I am aware of homosexual relationships in Ancient Sparta. I am also aware that they were quite dissimilar to the current concept of marriage. These relationships were more between men-boys and would not fit what we see as marriage. So, no, this would not apply.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    But is that really the issue or are you just projecting?


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    Marriage changes the nature of the relationship. Partners stay together longer when married, especially if kids are involved. They tend to work on issues rather than to just run away. Same with heterosexual relationships... but nobody ever studies those, but looking around at friends and people I know, they are shifting heterosexual relationships all the time. But they are "normal" and not studied, the negative burden is placed on the homosexuals, they are studied like monkeys... why? What the **** have they done to deserve such retarded treatment? Nada...
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Yet, you have no evidence of this. All of your suppositions are based on something that doesn't exist. You cannot compare straight marriage with gay relationships. That's like comparing apples and airplanes. That's why this entire line is invalid.
    So, provide a source that indicates marriage changes promiscuous behavior in people already.



    I will denigrate any source that has no validity. And will prove it's invalid for research methodological reasons, too. But let's try this. You want sources that show that children reared in households do as well as those in straight households? I can certainly provide sources for this.
    Ok, I'm waiting. However, be able to show those studies all 67 or so of them are also comparing apples to apples with large enough study groups to provide validity, for starters.


    An invalid source is not a source. Sorry. Post the links to the actual studies so we can take a look at them.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Marriage changes the nature of the relationship. Partners stay together longer when married, especially if kids are involved. They tend to work on issues rather than to just run away. Same with heterosexual relationships... but nobody ever studies those, but looking around at friends and people I know, they are shifting heterosexual relationships all the time. But they are "normal" and not studied, the negative burden is placed on the homosexuals, they are studied like monkeys... why? What the **** have they done to deserve such retarded treatment? Nada...
    That depends on your culture. Most adherents of traditional culture have expectations of what constitute a good marriage. Sometimes it doesn't happen. People stray. Most heteros don't. However, what if you belonged to a culture that wasn't traditional? What if you went into marriage without an expectation of fidelity? If that's the case the institution of marriage, the idea of marriage won't promote monogamy. It's really quite simple when you think about it.

    This is a pro-gay marriage article, with a twist. The author suggests straights could learn from gay couples, monogamy isn't really necessary after all.
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    ......New research at San Francisco State University reveals just how common open relationships are among gay men and lesbians in the Bay Area. The Gay Couples Study has followed 556 male couples for three years — about 50 percent of those surveyed have sex outside their relationships, with the knowledge and approval of their partners.

    That consent is key. “With straight people, it’s called affairs or cheating,” said Colleen Hoff, the study’s principal investigator, “but with gay people it does not have such negative connotations.”

    The study also found open gay couples just as happy in their relationships as pairs in sexually exclusive unions, Dr. Hoff said. A different study, published in 1985, concluded that open gay relationships actually lasted longer.

    None of this is news in the gay community, but few will speak publicly about it. Of the dozen people in open relationships contacted for this column, no one would agree to use his or her full name, citing privacy concerns. They also worried that discussing the subject could undermine the legal fight for same-sex marriage......
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Marriage changes the nature of the relationship. Partners stay together longer when married, especially if kids are involved.
    If this were true the divorce rate would not be up wards of 33 - 50%. It has little affect if any on the length of time. Children have some effect, but according to the 50% rate, not much and almost never good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    They tend to work on issues rather than to just run away. Same with heterosexual relationships... but nobody ever studies those, but looking around at friends and people I know, they are shifting heterosexual relationships all the time. But they are "normal" and not studied, the negative burden is placed on the homosexuals, they are studied like monkeys... why? What the **** have they done to deserve such retarded treatment? Nada...
    There are usually five reasons why people get married:

    1.they are lonely and want companionship.
    2.they want financial security.
    3.they want love.
    4.they want sex.
    5.they think marriage will solve their personal problems.

    Some of these reasons are valid and others are definitely not. either way they also tend to be the main reasons for divorce.

    I don't agree with your premise.
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    I don't think people get married for #4.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I don't think people get married for #4.
    I've known men who stated that reason for their divorces.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    That depends on your culture. Most adherents of traditional culture have expectations of what constitute a good marriage. Sometimes it doesn't happen. People stray. Most heteros don't. However, what if you belonged to a culture that wasn't traditional? What if you went into marriage without an expectation of fidelity? If that's the case the institution of marriage, the idea of marriage won't promote monogamy. It's really quite simple when you think about it.

    This is a pro-gay marriage article, with a twist. The author suggests straights could learn from gay couples, monogamy isn't really necessary after all.
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    Why do so many think that marriage is all about sex?

    Monogamy, even within marriages, should be up to the couple. If a couple consent to go outside of their marriage for sex, then that should be up to them.

    Even if some of those homosexuals who get married do agree to have sex outside of their marriage, I'd bet that they establish certain rules to help try to reduce their chances of getting some STD or HIV, since now they know that their decisions to have unsafe sex, could also affect the health/life of their loved one. The same is most likely true for heterosexuals who go outside of their marriage for sex. People are more likely to be more cautious when their decisions affect a loved one's health, not just their own.

    Plus, marriage is not just about setting up a sexual partner. It is also about establishing a person who will make legal and/or financial decisions for another person with just one legal document, instead of several.
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