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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

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    You're right, I'll never accept subpar arguments, that will deny me rights.
    I don't think you even know what my arguments are anymore.

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    No, it was/is always about families, and children, and never about forcing acceptance, or making it right. Allowing SSM doesn't force you to accept homosexuality as right, it just allows me, and many other LGBT people who wish to form families to do so with all the benefits, and advantages that are give to heterosexual families. Being against SSM, is being anti-family, and there is no way around it.
    I have been around far to many gay activists much older than you I mite add that will honestly tell you what it is about. I do know why you are trying to make it about something it's not and never has been.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Can they get married in all 9? No they can't. They can get married in 5, and only 5. End of story.
    If you could only buy a gun in five states, but carry one in nine, does that make gun possession legal in nine states? Yes, it does.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I don't live in every state of the United States. I can only live in one at a time. And if I happen to live in one in which same sex marriage is legal, then it is legal.

    Are you so proud that you just can't admit that you made a false statement? All this twisting around that you are doing is unbecoming and does nothing to strengthen your position.
    I did not make a false statement. You did initially and I corrected it.

    You can't even debate it or defend it, you are just accusing now.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Can they get married in all 9? No they can't. They can get married in 5, and only 5. End of story.
    I'm happy you feel that way because that means you won't oppose passing more laws in more states that don't perform same sex marriages so that they recognize same sex marriages performed in other states.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    If you could only buy a gun in five states, but carry one in nine, does that make gun possession legal in nine states? Yes, it does.
    For the record I was talking about getting married, had nothing to do with the states that recognize it initially, he brought that up. Now if you can't but a gun in any of those states, what does that make it?
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm happy you feel that way because that means you won't oppose passing more laws in more states that don't perform same sex marriages so that they recognize same sex marriages performed in other states.
    Yes and no. Civil unions yes, marriage, no.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I don't think you even know what my arguments are anymore.
    I know exactly what your arguments are, and if you were an atheist I'm sure you would be for SSM. It's all based on your religion.

    I have been around far to many gay activists much older than you I mite add that will honestly tell you what it is about. I do know why you are trying to make it about something it's not and never has been.
    You think this proves your assertion Seriously, SSM promotes family just as much as opposite sex marriage, and you can't even deny that. You haven't even addressed that in your responses towards me. The fact is that if your against SSM your anti-family, because you are saying that not all families deserve the same benefits, and advantages as other families.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes and no. Civil unions yes, marriage, no.
    But it wouldn't be legal in those states according to you. They would just recogniz marriages performed in other states.

    Gawd I love the hole you dug yourself.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No. But I also don't really care if they do.



    To bad it would not be recognized in more states than allow it.



    Obviously that is not correct in the majority of states.



    And yet it is not legal Federally and most states? Sorry no dice.
    Are you honestly that blind at what I said? Show me one state that asks the question "what is your sexuality" on their marriage license form. In fact, if they did, that would be discrimination too. The state cannot legally prevent a homosexual man from marrying a heterosexual or homosexual woman. The discrimination is sex discrimination, not sexuality discrimination. The basis for the discrimination is on sexuality (to try to prevent homosexuals from being able to marry who they would actually want to marry).

    And DOMA is discriminating on sex as well. This is what DOMA states.

    Under the law, also known as DOMA, no state (or other political subdivision within the United States) needs to treat as a marriage a same-sex relationship considered a marriage in another state (DOMA, Section 2); the federal government defines marriage as a legal union between one man and one woman (DOMA, Section 3).
    Defense of Marriage Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Even the federal government is discriminating against sex, not sexuality. No law/rule, either federal or in any state, prevents a person from entering into the legal contract of marriage because of their sexuality. The prevention is based on their sex as it relates to the person they wish to enter into the contract with. That puts it at a higher level of scrutiny than where sexuality sits.

    Laws take time to change. Legal challenges are necessary for the SCOTUS to change something, and even they get things wrong. This doesn't mean, that legally, not laws against same sex marriage is discrimination and is unconstitutional per Equal Protection of the 14th Amendment.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    For the record I was talking about getting married, had nothing to do with the states that recognize it initially, he brought that up. Now if you can't but a gun in any of those states, what does that make it?
    It makes it so you can't buy a gun (get married), that's it. It's still lawful to carry one (be married) and that fact is legally acknowledged.

    I live in one of these states and know people who benefitted from this myself. The courts held up the constitutionality here, as well. The public, divorce and inheritance benefits are all there.

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