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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    5 small states in the east are not "several" unless you are including civil union states which I am OK with.

    The majority of states have already said no or are trying to outright ban it by changing their constitutions.

    Context...

    Well then I guess I also have a legal bases as it is illegal federally and in the vast majority of states. - Blackdog
    Actually some states recognize same sex marriage performed in other states or countries. For example, New York and New Mexico, even though same sex marriages cannot be performed in those states. So if you want to be technical, same sex marriage is legal in 9 states. I can get married to someone of the same sex in Iowa, where same sex marriages are performed and it will be recognized as marriage in Nee York.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It is a right for one man and one woman, period.
    If you're giving rights to some people, but denying them to others, well, that sounds like discrimination to me.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Discrimination is not always based on race. I specifically pointed out discrimination based on sex (women in combat). Do you think women should be able to serve in combat roles right now?
    No. But I also don't really care if they do.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which is actually what same sex marriage discrimination is. The discrimination is about sex, not sexuality. As has been pointed out numerous times, gays can marry anyone of the opposite sex. In fact, two homosexuals can get a legal marriage. A homosexual woman can legally marry a homosexual man.
    To bad it would not be recognized in more states than allow it.

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    There is absolutely no question on the legal marriage license about the sexuality of the two people involved.
    Obviously that is not correct in the majority of states.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The only thing that matters is the sex of the two people involved. Which means that according to the 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS's standing that there are levels of scrutiny for the Equal Protection clause, race and religion being highest, followed by sex, then by everything else, same sex marriage should be evaluated under the middle tier scrutiny level (the government must show that the challenged classification serves an important state interest and that the classification is at least substantially related to serving that interest) since sex is the determining factor in the discrimination, not sexuality.
    And yet it is not legal Federally and most states? Sorry no dice.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Well then I guess I also have a legal bases as it is illegal federally and in the vast majority of states. - Blackdog
    This is wrong as well. DOMA only makes it so the federal government doesn't recognize same sex marriage, it does not make it illegal. Hence why same sex marriage is legal in several states.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Already put forth the arguments more times than I can remember. You guys don't want to accept it and I am OK with that.
    You're right, I'll never accept subpar arguments, that will deny me rights.

    It is not about families or children etc. It is about forcing acceptance on others and making it "right." It has always been about that.

    Again; you know this as well as I do.
    No, it was/is always about families, and children, and never about forcing acceptance, or making it right. Allowing SSM doesn't force you to accept homosexuality as right, it just allows me, and many other LGBT people who wish to form families to do so with all the benefits, and advantages that are give to heterosexual families. Being against SSM, is being anti-family, and there is no way around it.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Actually some states recognize same sex marriage performed in other states or countries. For example, New York and New Mexico, even though same sex marriages cannot be performed in those states. So if you want to be technical, same sex marriage is legal in 9 states. I can get married to someone of the same sex in Iowa, where same sex marriages are performed and it will be recognized as marriage in Nee York.
    Getting married is not the same them technically or otherwise. It in no way corrects your statement either.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Getting married is not the same them technically or otherwise. It in no way corrects your statement either.
    You made a false statement. Same sex marriage is legal in 9 states. It is performed in five and recognized in another four.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    This is wrong as well. DOMA only makes it so the federal government doesn't recognize same sex marriage, it does not make it illegal. Hence why same sex marriage is legal in several states.
    Dude it is illegal in most states for a man to marry a man, hence you can't do it. We are not talking a "few" we are talking the majority of the country and the federal government.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You made a false statement. Same sex marriage is legal in 9 states. It is performed in five and recognized in another four.
    Can they get married in all 9? No they can't. They can get married in 5, and only 5. End of story.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Dude it is illegal in most states for a man to marry a man, hence you can't do it.
    I don't live in every state of the United States. I can only live in one at a time. And if I happen to live in one in which same sex marriage is legal, then it is legal.

    Are you so proud that you just can't admit that you made a false statement? All this twisting around that you are doing is unbecoming and does nothing to strengthen your position.

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