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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You are really comparing slavery to gay marriage, really? And people wonder why blacks get offended by that comparison. Marriage has not nor ever been designated a right.
    I don't like to jump on that one but I'll admit it's easy, how about women voting, or any number of examples. When a law is wrong we fix it. By the way argument by dismissal isn't argument at all.



    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    In your opinion. Marriage is a man and a woman, period.
    In your opinion. It's none of your business, period.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean_H View Post
    I don't like to jump on that one but I'll admit it's easy, how about women voting, or any number of examples. When a law is wrong we fix it. By the way argument by dismissal isn't argument at all.
    I know, but I have argued this oh at this point what? 100+ times? in 10 or so different threads? Just tired of it, so yes I am dismissing it.

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    In your opinion. It's none of your business, period.
    Neither is a store owner who does not want blacks in his store, but it is the law. Sorry that argument has never washed.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I know, but I have argued this oh at this point what? 100+ times? in 10 or so different threads? Just tired of it, so yes I am dismissing it.
    You don't have to use the slavery example like I said. Why not change the law? If you don't want to address the arguments don't come to the same topics.

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    Neither is a store owner who does not want blacks in his store, but it is the law. Sorry that argument has never washed.
    Still haven't made a valid argument as to why same sex marriage SHOULD be illegal (which isn't in all of the US). The racist store owner doesn't actually help your case either.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean_H View Post
    You don't have to use the slavery example like I said. Why not change the law? If you don't want to address the arguments don't come to the same topics.
    You responded to me I believe, not I to you.

    Being a new person I owed you some kind of response. Did not want to appear rude, lol.

    Because it would be a waist of time at this point. The Constitution is not going to be amended to change it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean_H View Post
    Still haven't made a valid argument as to why same sex marriage SHOULD be illegal (which isn't in all of the US). The racist store owner doesn't actually help your case either.
    If you are really interested in how I really feel you can search my posts.

    Yes he does. It is his private property, so why should he be forced to let someone in he does not want to serve for whatever reason? Same can be said for SSM. End of story.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You responded to me I believe, not I to you.

    Being a new person I owed you some kind of response. Did not want to appear rude, lol.

    Because it would be a waist of time at this point. The Constitution is not going to be amended to change it.
    Debate works both ways, I responded to you, you in turn responded. Second point is fair enough I do appreciate responses. I never called for a Constitutional amendment (especially since it doesn't prohibit same sex marriage) law changes aren't constitutional amendments.



    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    If you are really interested in how I really feel you can search my posts.

    Yes he does. It is his private property, so why should he be forced to let someone in he does not want to serve for whatever reason? Same can be said for SSM. End of story.
    I probably will, but that doesn't really give much opportunity to debate (though you are right it's pretty much all been said). And my point was equal protection and that not allowing SSM isn't protecting anyones civil liberties. Also, on a side note, I like this two quote thing we've got going on here.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean_H View Post
    Debate works both ways, I responded to you, you in turn responded. Second point is fair enough I do appreciate responses. I never called for a Constitutional amendment (especially since it doesn't prohibit same sex marriage) law changes aren't constitutional amendments.
    I thought you ment the Civil rights act.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean_H View Post
    I probably will, but that doesn't really give much opportunity to debate (though you are right it's pretty much all been said). And my point was equal protection and that not allowing SSM isn't protecting anyones civil liberties. Also, on a side note, I like this two quote thing we've got going on here.
    I know, but I am so sick of this debate title dude you have no idea.

    As for the quote thing... Oh hell yea, only way to debate.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    We been over this "gamer" , nobody is arguing about the right to simply vote.
    What about when people use the "how does it directly affect you" angle in an attempt to quiet arguments here on this thread? That's one such 'silly game', it's trolling, it's being a jerk, and I fire back. I use specific examples of how a given marriage can directly affect people you never knew existed, and why one's opinion counts even if they're not affected in any way.

    I would argue that it's because gay marriage will directly affect you as why you should support SSM.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean_H View Post
    But the sex of those people does not. That said, my job is at a resort, sound teching, A/V, that sort of thing.
    Oh very cool....if children are involved, I trust you would have to release a child to a SSM parent should they pick up said child for, say, an appointment?

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    In reality those things dont "effect" anybody in a real sense.

    Two ugly people kissing is gross to me, "technically" it has an "affect" on me but not really unless im a self serving arrogant anti-american dickhead

    An affect in a true sense. Gay marriage wont do that.

    if we are going to be silly we could say the same about civil rights, womans rights and interracial marriage etc etc.
    I always come back to the taxpayer's cost of divorce and harm endured by the juvenile crime rate as examples of how every marriage of every kind affects me.

    Basically I reject the idea that each marriage exists in a vacuum tube. I argue that we all exist in communities, and as such the community has a say in the rules it abides by; even while specific rules may or may not apply to select individuals. Why does the thumb care if the toe is cut? The thumb isn't directly affected...but the thumb is part of the same body which could contract an infection, etc.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean_H View Post
    I do, and the law is wrong. Slavery was legal at one point too does that mean that those people didn't deserve human rights?

    Also, being the law only makes it de jure segregation.
    A very good point. Slaves were considered as property just as the unborn are today.

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