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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I didn't mean offense. I simply don't take anything in the Bible literally. For example, most of the New Testament was written decades after Jesus was gone. Given that people distort things days after hearing them, I cannot imagine how much of the original meaning was lost decades after. And of course, the defense that people use to justify taking even parts of the Bible literally is "the Bible says that the Bible is perfect". That kind of circular reasoning is impratical and irrational. I choose to have faith in God, not in a book.
    I have faith in God and his written law.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    But then we are back to the dissoance. Would you not want marriage redefined to exclude divorce and to punish adulterers? The current definition of marriage is one of serial monogamy and yet you seem to pretend that you are defending the definition that Jesus envisioned. They are not the same. Jesus probably never envisoined a state endorsed form of marriage with rights and liberties. What I don't understand why you are pretending that the marriage we have now is anything like the marriage in the Bible.
    It is supposed to be the same, that is what I am defending. I don't know how to make it any clearer.

    Yes I would be completely in favor and support divorce only in cases of adultery. But I have said this before and still you don't see.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Difficult given that most people don't even speak the same language. For starters, we have completely different meanings to the word "marriage". How do truly have a discussion about marriage when you can't even agree on the definition of marriage?
    Legal definition...

    A contract made in due form of law, by which a free man and a free woman reciprocally engage to live with each other during their joint lives, in the union which ought io exist between husband and wife. By the terms freeman and freewoman in this definition are meant, not only that they are free and not slaves, but also that they are clear of all bars to a lawful marriage. - Legal Definition of Marriage

    Now we know.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I can't say I remember even seeing such threads.
    Considering you can't even remember things I said one post ago (no offense) but I am not surprised.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Oh my, what interesting judgment we have here. To be "Christian" you have to accept Jesus Christ as divine and as a savior. So your interpretation of the Bible grants you a monopoly on the word "Christian" as well as the word "marriage"? What if I argue that to be Christian you only have to seek to live a life that encompasses many of the teachings of Jesus Christ?

    Oh, we certainly speak two different languages.
    Oh man, I... OK.

    Since the beginning of Christianity and the church. Accepting Jesus as Saviour and divine is what being a Christian is, hence the word "Christ-Ian."

    I have already given the legal definition of marriage, so no I don't have a monopoly on anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    That is quite fine with me. My experiences have lead me to a very different perspective than your own.

    Had you grown up in a different time or place, you may have a had a very different perspective, and the same for myself. So from an existential point of view, I can't say that I am too concerned if your perspective differs from my own.
    Agreed, but makes it no less fun to debate.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me. I mean, people will say all sorts of stuff. Just because some dumbasses will run their mouth doesn't mean that's proper argument against allowing same sex marriage.
    Funny you would cut out the last part of my post, no biggie I am used to it.

    Fact is you asked for reasons and I gave you many and many more exist. Don't really feel bothered by the fact you don't agree with it.

    In the end it is just opinion as it has not happened. So your opinion or speculation on said matter really does not matter.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    The issue is always going to come down to this Ikari.
    There are those that care about their fellow Americans and want equal liberties rights and freedoms for all.
    Then thier are those that only want liberty rights and freedoms for themselves and the rest of America doesn't matter.

    Thank god that luckily our country believes in the former and not the later. Even when we make mistakes, slavery, womens rights, minority rights, interracial marriage etc our country and our constitution fixes those wrongs. Sooner than later this will come to pass and get righted also.
    Here we go with "anyone who disagrees is anti-American."

    Allot of the founders disagreed as well. I suppose they are also anti American?
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Legal definition...

    A contract made in due form of law, by which a free man and a free woman reciprocally engage to live with each other during their joint lives, in the union which ought io exist between husband and wife. By the terms freeman and freewoman in this definition are meant, not only that they are free and not slaves, but also that they are clear of all bars to a lawful marriage. - Legal Definition of Marriage
    Do you also take the Onion seriously?

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Do you also take the Onion seriously?
    You really need to pick up a book on law. That is the legal definition used by the US government.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You really need to pick up a book on law. That is the legal definition used by the US government.

    You need to check out the site you are sourcing

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    You need to check out the site you are sourcing
    The site is irrelevant, it is the actual law.

    the joining of a male and female in matrimony by a person qualified by law to perform the ceremony (a minister, priest, judge, justice of the peace or some similar official), after having obtained a valid marriage license (which requires a blood test for venereal disease in about a third of the states and a waiting period from one to five days in several). - Legal Dictionary | Law.com

    Granted they were making fun of the wording, but it is accurate.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Here we go with "anyone who disagrees is anti-American."

    Allot of the founders disagreed as well. I suppose they are also anti American?
    This is the most illogical thing I read today. Tell me who the founders are and when the last one died?

    Now tell me when equal liberties like civil rights, minority rights, interracial marriage etc passed?

    how many years after?


    I know why you are laughing because this must be a joke. For THEIR version of America they believed what was right for their time, now "America" has learned from its mistakes and made many progressions and improvements. We now see ALL men and women as equal citizens and believe in equal rights with much less discrimination. Thats what America is TODAY.

    But to answer your question IF they were alive today and wanted to discriminate against blacks, women and gays, YES i most certainly would call them anti-American. I would think of them has selfish hypocrites that only want freedom, liberties and rights for themselves, not equally for all Americans because that's in fact what they would be. Because by TODAYS standards that's wrong. I'm not saying it was RIGHT back then but most didn't know any better. We weren't as smart, tolerant, advanced and civil of a society equality wise as we are today. LMAO

    So your post is totally totally irrelevant.
    Its like saying the people waaaaaaaay back in the day that thought the earth was flat were dumb, yeah thats easy to say NOW that we all know better.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The site is irrelevant, it is the actual law.

    the joining of a male and female in matrimony by a person qualified by law to perform the ceremony (a minister, priest, judge, justice of the peace or some similar official), after having obtained a valid marriage license (which requires a blood test for venereal disease in about a third of the states and a waiting period from one to five days in several). - Legal Dictionary | Law.com

    Granted they were making fun of the wording, but it is accurate.

    Oh so now we switch to a commercial website

    Show me the actual law.

    Might I suggest you look at DOMA.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    This is the most illogical thing I read today. Tell me who the founders are and when the last one died?

    Now tell me when equal liberties like civil rights, minority rights, interracial marriage etc passed?

    how many years after?

    I know why you are laughing because this must be a joke. For THEIR version of America they believed what was right for their time, now "America" has learned from its mistakes and made many progressions and improvements. We now see ALL men and women as equal citizens and believe in equal rights with much less discrimination. Thats what America is TODAY.

    But to answer your question IF they were alive today and wanted to discriminate against blacks, women and gays, YES i most certainly would call them anti-American. I would think of them has selfish hypocrites that only want freedom, liberties and rights for themselves, not equally for all Americans because that's in fact what they would be. Because by TODAYS standards that's wrong. I'm not saying it was RIGHT back then but most didn't know any better. We weren't as smart, tolerant, advanced and civil, society and equality wise as we are today. LMAO

    So your post is totally totally irrelevant.
    Its like saying the people waaaaaaaay back in the day that thought the earth was flat were dumb, yeah thats easy to say NOW that we all know better.
    Our "smart, tolerant, advanced and civil, society and equality wise as we are today." is a joke compared to what it was. Yes slavery and womens suffrage were wrong and a part of the times, but we are no better. With rampant crime, immorality and going broke quicker than **** through a goose. Our society is a pathetic crumbling joke.

    It's up to those of us with back bone to stand up and say no more. While those who see everything as "gray" sit back and let it happen. Because if everything is gray, there is no right or wrong. All bets are off because of politically correct nonsense.
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