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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    To me? Of course. Why would your moral code or ethics be my concern? I do not expect you to be overly concerned with mine either.
    Because you are expecting national policy should follow your moral code.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Because you are expecting national policy should follow your moral code.
    As should anyone who cares about the society to which they contribute.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Nothing "vague" about how I feel. Yes I have seen plenty of proof.
    Let's see it. How are we going to degrade morality by allowing gay people (who already exist) to be allowed their right to contract? Typically when one wants to use government force against the rights of another, they have to demonstrate proof that the person has infringed upon the rights of others. Do you have any of this proof? Or is this all made up fantasy of your god and the way you'd want things to be and your desire to subject us all to your rules and your definition of "morality"?
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm of a libertarian mindset and I believe in God, and yet I do not find anything in the Bible which would lead me to believe that God would be against same sex marriage. The arguments against homosexuality were Man's law, not God's law. But of course I have my interpretation and you have yours. I do not put the Bible above God because to do so would be to have another god before God. That aside, what right do you have to impose your particular interpretation of what you believe the Bible says is moral and immoral? And at what point does reason step in and you ask yourself what harm does homosexuality really cause to society as compared to other activities like smoking?



    Technically, marriage has been redefined numerous times in history. Currently, the definition you support is that an individual can marry as many people of the opposite sex as they want as long as they are married to only one person at a time. Jesus Christ would most definitely not support the serial monogamy definition of marriage that our country currently embraces. And yet I do not see you striving against that definition of marriage, seeking to outlaw divorce and punish adulterers, so I cannot be convinced that you are motivated by religion. To the contrary, I think you are motivated by an animosity toward what you perceive as the sin of homosexuality, and you have no such animosity towards the sins of divorce or adultery.
    This is a good post and deserves a response. I promise I will get back to it shortly.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    As should anyone who cares about the society to which they contribute.
    Hardly. There are many things I am opposed to morally. Abortion, indefility, teenagers dressing like hookers...I don't think any of those should be controlled by laws in our society though.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And as I have pointed out we have different views on what role the government and individual play. Neither is superior to the other.
    Yet you wish to subject us to your definitions through the use of government force, so you must be thinking that yours is superior and thus necessitates implementation through government. In the end, my method doesn't produce harm. No one's rights are infringed upon. No one will be forced to gay marry or change their opinion on what marriage should be. Yours innately infringes upon the rights of others with no proof what so ever other than your superiority complex of thinking your morals are the right morals and the ones government should use force to implement over the rest of us.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Let's see it. How are we going to degrade morality by allowing gay people (who already exist) to be allowed their right to contract? Typically when one wants to use government force against the rights of another, they have to demonstrate proof that the person has infringed upon the rights of others. Do you have any of this proof? Or is this all made up fantasy of your god and the way you'd want things to be and your desire to subject us all to your rules and your definition of "morality"?
    I have explained it many times on this forum and I am not going to go back and do it again. No offense, just to much work.

    As for the rest, you can think what you like. In the end it changes nothing and I will continue to follow my desires etc. As I said I don't really care as much about the rights of the individual, I care far more for the society I live in and again contribute to.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yet you wish to subject us to your definitions through the use of government force, so you must be thinking that yours is superior and thus necessitates implementation through government. In the end, my method doesn't produce harm. No one's rights are infringed upon. No one will be forced to gay marry or change their opinion on what marriage should be. Yours innately infringes upon the rights of others with no proof what so ever other than your superiority complex of thinking your morals are the right morals and the ones government should use force to implement over the rest of us.
    Please you are just parroting what you have already said Ikari, and it still does not mean anything more than it did.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Hardly. There are many things I am opposed to morally. Abortion, indefility, teenagers dressing like hookers...I don't think any of those should be controlled by laws in our society though.
    That's good that you think for yourself. Don't expect me to think the same way you do or accept the same things. We are all different, get used to it.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I have explained it many times on this forum and I am not going to go back and do it again. No offense, just to much work.

    As for the rest, you can think what you like. In the end it changes nothing and I will continue to follow my desires etc. As I said I don't really care as much about the rights of the individual, I care far more for the society I live in and again contribute to.
    The ol' "common good" argument. Ranks right up there with the "if you're not doing anything wrong...." argument.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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