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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

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    It's just a word...
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Which is why we should keep it proper You wouldn't improperly call a dudes penis a vagina because he says he's a woman would you? Definition is important, the moral aspects and social aspects to marriage are also important and in my opinion, should be upheld to a higher standard than what we currently have.
    What marriage means to you, doesn't mean the same thing to a crummy couple that married for money.

    Doesn't mean the same thing to a Hindu...

    Doesn't mean the same thing to a muslim...

    Doesn't mean the same thing to a scientologist...

    Doesn't mean the same thing to a gay man who marries a woman because he's in denial...

    perhaps we should start screening everyone to make sure they fit your criteria on marriage approval.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Which is why we should keep it proper You wouldn't improperly call a dudes penis a vagina because he says he's a woman would you? Definition is important, the moral aspects and social aspects to marriage are also important and in my opinion, should be upheld to a higher standard than what we currently have.
    Marriage is a word for a concept, not a physical object. Definitions for words such as "marriage" are not set in stone. There are plenty of different kinds of marriages and the word has included many types of couples and excluded many more. You don't own the word marriage, neither does any religion or even all of them.

    And the government definition of marriage isn't even so concrete, since there are several states in our own government who allow same sex marriage. State governments are the ones who control who can get married, so they get to define marriage. However, since it is a contract, then it also should be recognized by every state where the couple is not violating any laws (since sodomy laws were deemed unconstitutional, then gay marriage would have to be recognized in every state). These are all legal precedents set by other laws and/or marriage cases. We are talking about legal marriage.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The only thing that seems to be stopping people from having kids is affluence, the more affluent a society gets, the less children they have, raising a child is expensive in our countries.

    The notion that somehow gays marrying will discourage people from having kids is about as far removed from reality as a Micheal Jackson ressurection...

    Good post rogue.
    Adopting cultural mores that don't place value on functioning families and children lead to having less children. Yes, children are expensive. However, having more cars than we need, having larger houses than we need, drugs, irresponsible consumerism are also costly. Yet that is exactly what so many affluent societies manage to do. Culture determines our priorities.

    This is an old article but still valid. Culture affects the number of children they produce. Traditional cultures produce children because they value them. Modern humanistic culture place more value on cultural mores that don't.


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    ........Religion is another factor. Some of the most ardent conservatives are religious fundamentalists who believe they have been bidden by God to go forth and multiply. These conservatives, now overwhelmingly Republican, see large families as blessings, abortion as sacrilege, birth control as potentially sinful. Indeed people who attend church weekly are twice as likely as those who seldom attend to say their ideal family size is three or more children. (This "relentlessly pro-natal" orientation, Longman contended in a recent issue of the journal Foreign Policy, threatens a not-too-distant future in which zealous Christians and radical Muslims inherit the Earth and usher in "new Dark Ages").

    Conversely, other influences depress the number of children born to liberals. Liberal women are statistically more likely to delay childbirth into later years than are conservative women, and they may also be more open to abortion, although the data is unclear. Gays and lesbians, who vote Democratic by a roughly 4-1 ratio, are much less likely to have children than heterosexuals. And some on the left advocate fewer children as "socially responsible" to lessen the toll on the planet's finite resources.....
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    What marriage means to you, doesn't mean the same thing to a crummy couple that married for money.

    Doesn't mean the same thing to a Hindu...

    Doesn't mean the same thing to a muslim...

    Doesn't mean the same thing to a scientologist...

    Doesn't mean the same thing to a gay man who marries a woman because he's in denial...

    perhaps we should start screening everyone to make sure they fit your criteria on marriage approval.
    For hindus and muslims marriage is all about producing and rearing children. In regards to gay men who marry I once ran across a reference to europe that suggested they understood homosexuality but still expected them to marry and produce children. I don't know if it's true but it's an interesting thought. The spartans managed to produce a society that promoted homosexual behavior of all it's citizens. Even they reserved the institution of marriage between one man and one women, specifically to produce children.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    A few hundred thousand years you say.

    I take it, cultural anthropology isn't your thing.
    Is it yours? Are you aware of any successful societies that promoted "homosexual marriages" as a viable cultural more?
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Is it yours? Are you aware of any successful societies that promoted "homosexual marriages" as a viable cultural more?
    Are you aware of any societies at all that promoted homosexual marriages as a viable cultural norm?
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The only thing that seems to be stopping people from having kids is affluence, the more affluent a society gets, the less children they have, raising a child is expensive in our countries.

    The notion that somehow gays marrying will discourage people from having kids is about as far removed from reality as a Micheal Jackson ressurection...

    Good post rogue.
    It isn't so much affluence per se, but equal gender rights responsible for lowering birth rates. Societies with higher women's status have lower birth rates and visa versa. As it so happens, the societies where women have higher status ALSO tend to have higher standards of living, but the real issue has to do with women's ability to determine how many children they wish to bear or whether they wish to have children at all.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    The modern view of marriage that exists in the west right now is based on previous forms in previous culture, but it is not a carbon copy of any type of marriage that has ever existed before. Until a hundred or so years ago, marriage was not two people merging their fortunes and families. It was one person being folded into another. A wife was, through most of history, property of her husband, and legally the same person. It was only in the last hundred years that a woman was given the legal ability to refuse to have sex with her husband. Yes, that's right, "I'm her husband" was a defense against rape.

    A single man and a single woman becoming a nuclear family is not a traditional marriage by any means. Such a tradition does not exist. Many cultures embraced polygamy, with some even including multiple men for a single woman. Sexual fidelity was not even always a part of marriage. Romantic love was often an afterthought. One of the defining characteristics of western marriages was the subordination of women.

    Romantic, union-of-two-equals, heterosexual, marriage as it exists today has the same precedent as romantic, union-of-two-equals, homosexual marriage. They are both quite new and based on past traditions. Neither is an immortal pillar of human or western society. Since we are already in the business of making up what defines "marriage", we can do so here. And since US law is very clear that every person has the exact same rights and protections, there is no legal basis for denying homosexuals the right to enter into a marriage contract.

    And as to the "civil unions" argument. We all know how well "separate but equal" has worked in the past.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    The origins of marriage lie in early contract, property and inheritance laws and was originally only applicable to the rich, since the poor had no property. All of these strands of law apply to both genders.
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