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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Um...that marriage license is kinda a big deal, and goes far beyond just being a piece of paper. Legal and economic benefits of marriage

    Trying to dismiss that as a minor thing is silly.
    I agree.

    As soon as they call it something other than a marriage, they will have my full support.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If it's a jerk move, then why do they turn their back on me?
    Maybe they don't respond well to jerk responses. Maybe they see what you want as deflection away from a practical solution and it pisses them off. All I can see is that there is something which is really no skin off our teeth and requires pretty much no extra input of energy to change. I don't think I should stop people if they ain't doing anything wrong, and particularly if I can help change legislation through relatively no extra input of energy. But that's just my stance on it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So your "Westburo" comment literally has nothing to do with me.
    That's why it's called an example. You asked a question, I answered it. People like to run their mouths. Everything I said was correct. You are within your rights to dissent and protest if you choose to. I'm not saying you have to, I'm saying that action is well within your rights. You can make whatever choice you want with your rights, exercise them or sit at home. Up to you. And my example of Westburo was that, an example of a group who likes to run their mouths. That's it.

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    I don't protest or take a position to hear myself talk.
    And you're within your rights to do so

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    It is in every way American to support your views.
    To a degree. We're always bitching and moaning about something, and that's particularly well within the line of "American". But we made a Republic to protect the rights and liberties of the individual. So while many had argued this or that, in the end we wish to really set aside time for intellectual discourse and to examine whether particular actions will infringe upon the rights of the individual. We also set our system to expand our liberties as we grew older and wiser. America should become more free over time, not less.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You are beginning to sound like the "not supporting the war makes you un-American" crowed.
    I think that support of government force against the individual when said individual did not infringe upon the rights of others is dubious "American" title considering the foundations of the Republic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Without the law to protect your "rights" you have nothing.
    Rights will always exist as they are innate and inalienable. But my point stands. Being "within the law" is not the same as being "within your rights". You're not within your rights to use government force against those whom have not infringed upon the rights of anyone else. You may be "within the law", you may be able to use force to get your way; these are all true. But you are not within your rights.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Maybe they don't respond well to jerk responses. Maybe they see what you want as deflection away from a practical solution and it pisses them off. All I can see is that there is something which is really no skin off our teeth and requires pretty much no extra input of energy to change. I don't think I should stop people if they ain't doing anything wrong, and particularly if I can help change legislation through relatively no extra input of energy. But that's just my stance on it.
    Excuse me, but they were being jerks by interrupting my 25-man raid to bother me about something which we all agree doesn't affect me in any way. They weren't invited, they didn't call before coming over. So, we can swing a deal or i'll just troll the **** out of them for their disrespect.

    WoW is how I cope with missing children, if you interrupt me, if you touch this injured dog, you'd better have a stake in your hand or you're gona get bit.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Excuse me, but they were being jerks by interrupting my 25-man raid to bother me about something which we all agree doesn't affect me in any way. They weren't invited, they didn't call before coming over. So, we can swing a deal or i'll just troll the **** out of them for their disrespect.

    WoW is how I cope with missing children, if you interrupt me, if you touch this injured dog, you'd better have a stake in your hand or you're gona get bit.
    That's not exactly being a jerk. I've never thought the Mormons were jerks when they come knocking on my door. Just doing their community work and all. Or maybe the next time the boyscouts come along looking for donations of canned food; I can just ask them since they're being jerks and interrupting whatever it was that I was doing, what they're going to give me in order to get those cans. And if you're in middle of a 25 man raid, you don't have to answer the door. They certainly do not sound like the jerk in your scenario.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I agree.

    As soon as they call it something other than a marriage, they will have my full support.
    So long as the Marriage License exists, they are entitled to enter it. If you don't want them using the term marriage, you should probably do something about the Marriage License.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's not exactly being a jerk.
    Yes, yes it is, and a Mod should run up and give them 3 point for it, too

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I've never thought the Mormons were jerks when they come knocking on my door.
    Oh I do. **** Mormons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Just doing their community work and all. Or maybe the next time the boyscouts come along looking for donations of canned food; I can just ask them since they're being jerks and interrupting whatever it was that I was doing, what they're going to give me in order to get those cans.
    Ohhh very nice, bringing up the Boy Scouts knowing they still ban gay den leaders...very nice

    I'm already affiliated with the Scouts, AND they send out prior notice when they intend to hold a food drive, pick up trees, etc, so they can come over any time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And if you're in middle of a 25 man raid, you don't have to answer the door. They certainly do not sound like the jerk in your scenario.
    Of course I'm going to answer the door, you never know when there's some Jehovah's Witnesses in need of some Confederated Products for their temple

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Well maybe if they knocked on your door and when you opened it, they kicked you in the nuts....then that would be a jerk move. I'm still not convinced that knocking on the door in and of itself constitutes a jerk action. As for the Boy Scouts, I didn't even think about that. But they are more than free to discriminate against gays; they are a private group. They may exclude anyone they want.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Excuse me, but they were being jerks by interrupting my 25-man raid to bother me about something which we all agree doesn't affect me in any way. They weren't invited, they didn't call before coming over. So, we can swing a deal or i'll just troll the **** out of them for their disrespect.

    WoW is how I cope with missing children, if you interrupt me, if you touch this injured dog, you'd better have a stake in your hand or you're gona get bit.
    I scared away the first Mormon missionaries I ever saw by just getting excited at meeting them. I had always heard of Mormons going door to door but I had never actually seen any til I was 20 and living with Navy roommates in an apartment in WA. We seen them as we were getting home one day at our neighbor's door. They went to hand us a pamplet, and I told them "wow, you guys are real. I have never met any of you guys before." I know it was probably a little rude, now, but I really hadn't met any before so it was interesting. They quickly handed us the pamplet and left. My roommate was laughing his butt off. Him, and our other roommate who got home a little later, thought it was hilarious that I could scare away Mormons.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I scared away the first Mormon missionaries I ever saw by just getting excited at meeting them. I had always heard of Mormons going door to door but I had never actually seen any til I was 20 and living with Navy roommates in an apartment in WA. We seen them as we were getting home one day at our neighbor's door. They went to hand us a pamplet, and I told them "wow, you guys are real. I have never met any of you guys before." I know it was probably a little rude, now, but I really hadn't met any before so it was interesting. They quickly handed us the pamplet and left. My roommate was laughing his butt off. Him, and our other roommate who got home a little later, thought it was hilarious that I could scare away Mormons.

    I was sleeping on my brothers very uncomfortable couch after a night of drinking in Austin and they knocked. It was not a pretty scene

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