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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You said it was "worng". That's moralistic vocabulary. if you wanted to use a legalistic argument then you should have used the term "illegal"' or at worst "unethical". But you didn't. Oh well. The Game.
    HAHAHAHAhAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    moralistic vocabulary? now thats definitely a game LMAO

    its legally wrong :p
    common sense
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    HAHAHAHAhAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    moralistic vocabulary? now thats definitely a game LMAO

    its legally wrong :p
    common sense
    You know as well as I that semantics is the biggest silly game around here

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    gay people have every right to marry. not a single one of their actions is restricted; they can have ceremonies, live, love, and grow old together; dying in each others' arms and being buried together as 'husband and husband' etc.

    all they can't do is force the rest of us via government to issue them a marriage license.

    This is not true for quite a few reasons.

    First, a gay couple is not authorized legal recognition of their marriage in many states, therefore, unlike legally married couples, they are not guaranteed certain medical rights. One of these is to live together in a nursing home as a married couple.

    HRC | Questions about Same-Sex Marriage
    Nursing homes. Married couples have a legal right to live together in nursing homes. The rights of elderly gay or lesbian couples are an uneven patchwork of state laws. Home protection. Laws protect married seniors from being forced to sell their homes to pay high nursing home bills; gay and lesbian seniors have no such protection.
    Like this couple's tragedy.
    PRIDE in Utah nursing home

    There are other things along this line as well.

    Plus, concerning afterlife/burial decisions, that would depend on what the couple has set up. Unlike legally married opposite sex couples, same sex couples have to get a lot of extra legal documents to take the place of what the marriage license provides for opposite sex couples.
    Marriage laws ensure that opposite sex couples who have made a commitment to each other are able to decide where they are buried and can actually be buried wherever the other can, provided there is space available. This is not true concerning gay couples in just a personal marriage (not by choice). For instance, military members are entitled to have their spouse buried in a national cemetery. However, this does not apply unless the marriage is legal.

    Eligibility - Burial and Memorial Benefits

    Along with all this, there are other laws that won't apply to same sex couples without a legal marriage, including the law that allows someone's spouse to refuse to testify against their spouse, especially concerning intimate conversations.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This is not true for quite a few reasons.

    First, a gay couple is not authorized legal recognition of their marriage in many states, therefore, unlike legally married couples, they are not guaranteed certain medical rights. One of these is to live together in a nursing home as a married couple.
    Quote the US Title Code.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Quote the US Title Code.
    Here you go.

    42 CFR 483.10 - Resident rights. - Code of Federal Regulations - Title 42: Public Health - Subpart B: Requirements for long term care facilities - vLex

    (m) Married couples. The resident has the right to share a room with his or her spouse when married residents live in the same facility and both spouses consent to the arrangement.
    Read more: 42 CFR 483.10 - Resident rights. - Code of Federal Regulations - Title 42: Public Health - Subpart B: Requirements for long term care facilities - vLex
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    gay people have every right to marry. not a single one of their actions is restricted; they can have ceremonies, live, love, and grow old together; dying in each others' arms and being buried together as 'husband and husband' etc.

    all they can't do is force the rest of us via government to issue them a marriage license.
    Um...that marriage license is kinda a big deal, and goes far beyond just being a piece of paper. Legal and economic benefits of marriage

    On the order of 1,400 legal rights are conferred upon married couples in the U.S. Typically these are composed of about 400 state benefits and over 1,000 federal benefits. Among them are the rights to:
    joint parenting;
    joint adoption;
    joint foster care, custody, and visitation (including non-biological parents);
    status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent;
    joint insurance policies for home, auto and health;
    dissolution and divorce protections such as community property and child support;
    immigration and residency for partners from other countries;
    inheritance automatically in the absence of a will;
    joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment;
    inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate);
    benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare;
    spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home;
    veterans' discounts on medical care, education, and home loans; joint filing of tax returns;
    joint filing of customs claims when traveling;
    wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children;
    bereavement or sick leave to care for a partner or child;
    decision-making power with respect to whether a deceased partner will be cremated or not and where to bury him or her;
    crime victims' recovery benefits;
    loss of consortium tort benefits;
    domestic violence protection orders;
    judicial protections and evidentiary immunity;
    and more....
    Trying to dismiss that as a minor thing is silly.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If it's non of my business, then why do they bring me into it?
    They need your help to allow them to legally be married. But if you want to go play your Shaman, go play your shaman. It's a jerk move to just turn your back on people who would like your help and your help not being any sort of effort to yourself. But it's a free country.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Read that back to yourself. Why would I dissent etc if I had nothing to gain?
    People love to run their mouths about all sorts of things. Look at the Westboro Baptist people running around against homosexuals. Are they going to make reform somehow? No, they're idiots. But they run their mouths all the time regardless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Until the government gets out of marriage or makes gay marriage legal, I am acting well within the law.
    Being "within the law" is not the same as being within your rights.

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    I will however give you +1 point for the Red Dawn reference as it was funny.
    Well it was meant as a joke.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They need your help to allow them to legally be married. But if you want to go play your Shaman, go play your shaman. It's a jerk move to just turn your back on people who would like your help and your help not being any sort of effort to yourself. But it's a free country.
    If it's a jerk move, then why do they turn their back on me?

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    People love to run their mouths about all sorts of things. Look at the Westboro Baptist people running around against homosexuals. Are they going to make reform somehow? No, they're idiots. But they run their mouths all the time regardless.
    You said...

    You are within your rights to dissent. You are within your rights to hold your opinion of what marriage is. You are within your rights to denounce same sex marriage. You are within your rights to protest against it. You are within your rights to forbid same sex marriage in your church. You are not within you rights (as per the definition of rights, rights does not mean ability) to use government force against others whom have not infringed upon the rights of anyone else. That is the base. That is fundamental. That is America. - Ikari

    So your "Westburo" comment literally has nothing to do with me. I don't protest or take a position to hear myself talk. It is in every way American to support your views.

    You are beginning to sound like the "not supporting the war makes you un-American" crowed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Being "within the law" is not the same as being within your rights.
    Without the law to protect your "rights" you have nothing.

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    Well it was meant as a joke.
    Hence the +1. I liked it.
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