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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Actually, your argument is justified based on yours (who is fallable) and other mortal men's (who are fallable) interpritation of what they believe god stated through the recollection of other mortal men (who were fallable). As such, said justification only truly works with regards to others that employee your same interpritation of the same set of words to meaning the same thing. Additionally, while what you believe god thinks is perfectly fine as a justification for why you vote a certain way or why you propose a certain law personally, ultimately "because god doesn't like it" is not a justification in any way for allowing a law that is unconstitutional. At least not in any kind of legal sense. You may feel it MORALLY justifies it, but that...frankly...is irrelevant.
    It is absolutely justified as allot of things that are "unconstitutional" seem to be law. Many things that were constitutional are now not.

    No matter how you put it, makes no difference. My position is justified and until gay's can marry it is not a law and acceptable.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I as an American citizen can certainly force what I want as far as laws go any way I wish. That is what our court system is for.

    SO no nothing has been "debunked" no matter how much you rant about it.
    They think "it's non of your buisness" is a valid reason why we should support something.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    like i said that has been thoroughly debunked because it can easily be argued anti-american and hypocritical. YOUR god has no business in other peoples affairs as far as AMERICA is concerned LOL
    According to whom? You? The founders would be laughing at you. I don't even have to say anything because that is so stupid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    How fast you would change your tune if somebody wanted to infringe on your religion.
    Sixty-four percent of the American people believe that religion is "under attack," according to a new poll released today by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). The poll found that 53 percent of Americans likewise believe that religion as a whole is "losing its influence in American life." - Poll: Americans Believe Religion Is 'Under Attack' -- Majority Says Religion is 'Losing Influence' In American Life

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    You should THANK your god you live in america and are free to believe in him. Thank your god that someone like me would fight for YOUR right to do so while you dont care about others.
    No. You should thank God I did serve my country so ignorant asses could say what they want.

    You have not protected me from anything. You disgust me.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In short, your desire to force theocracy is nothing short of tyranny and the very reason why the rest of us have guns.
    Hehehehehehehe! Talk about over the top nonsense.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Hehehehehehehe! Talk about over the top nonsense.
    It's not nonsense when you want to subjugate me to the rules of your god.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not nonsense when you want to subjugate me to the rules of your god.
    No I don't. I want you to respect the fact I don't want marriage redefined. The reasons I don't want it redefined are irrelevant.

    Yes saying I want "theocracy" etc is very much over the top.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The divorce of people I will never meet has and likely will again directly harm me through the communal cost of divorce and the resulting juvenile crime rate. That makes it my business.
    I think that perhaps that's a bit of a stretch. And even if it were true, I'd take that as a consequence of freedom. I don't see how the government can force people to marry or not marry. It needs to be an individual decision; and whatever comes of that is just a consequence of freedom. We can make similar arguments about all rights in general. They're dangerous, because people are free and the system is reactive, someone will take advantage. We have to pay the costs of the crime, of rising insurance (if it were called into play by said crime), of the judicial system, of housing prisoners, etc. But in the end, that's part of the consequences of choosing freedom over Big Brother. We're necessarily going to have a more dangerous situation, one which we may have to pay a bit more into, deal with a bit more crime, etc. But it's better than the alternative. I don't want people's expectation of social engineering enforced through law. Or if we do, it will be MY social engineering. I am negatively impacted by idiots all the time, be it on the road, their poor decisions which lead to legislative, procedural changes or crimes, etc. It's my business. Thus all stupid people (as defined by me) should be castrated as to prevent future stupid people from being in my way. I like it!
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No I don't. I want you to respect the fact I don't want marriage redefined. The reasons I don't want it redefined are irrelevant.

    Yes saying I want "theocracy" etc is very much over the top.
    It's not over the top if you try to get your religious definitions enforced by government. I don't care how you personally wish to define marriage. You can do it any ol' way your heart desires. But when you try to get that upheld through government force; then we're talking a different ball game. I'll respect your right to hold an opinion on what you think marriage should be. But you have no right to use government to enforce that definition.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No. You should thank God I did serve my country so ignorant asses could say what they want.

    You have not protected me from anything. You disgust me.
    She doesn't realize that without Christian principals ruling this country, she would be wearing a burka.

    View her slander and contempt as her enjoying the gift you helped provide with your service.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    She doesn't realize that without Christian principals ruling this country, she would be wearing a burka.

    View her slander and contempt as her enjoying the gift you helped provide with your service.
    Why the hell would I wear a burka? I'm atheist...and a man, man. We don't have to dress up in silly cloths or not eat pork (which, BTW, is how I define a religion to be wrong. If you forbid to consumption of pork, your religion is wrong).
    Last edited by Ikari; 01-05-11 at 09:50 PM.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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