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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Unfortunately, the drivers license is a contract. You have to consent to a wide variety of things to obtain one, including intrusive DUI laws.
    yep primarily almost all licences are under the law contract.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes, a driver's license is a contract.

    In exchange for paying a token fee and agreeing to certain rules, I can use the roads.

    People tend to forget that Marriage is not a private contract, however, even though it can be confidential. A marriage license is not like drawing up an agreement between 2 people and having it notarized at Kinko's. That would be a strictly private legal contract. With marriage, the State is very much involved, and through the State, the voting public.
    AGreed thats what also makes it a contract a marriage is a contract which consists of the obligations imposed on married couples by the inheritance and domestic relations laws of the state where you reside
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    AGreed thats what also makes it a contract a marriage is a contract which consists of the obligations imposed on married couples by the inheritance and domestic relations laws of the state where you reside
    also on a side note this is why side contracts can or have to be made if the original contract doesnt suit the parties involved. For example a prenump. Its there to say the original rules of the state contract do not apply and that both parties agree on these now NEW contract rules.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    while it certainly seems reasonable to suppose that they may be a better solution than single parents; i would argue there simpy isn't enough evidence yet on the viability, favorability, or stability of homosexual couples as parents.
    And you and I disagree, there have been plenty of legitimate studies showing that a stable homosexual couple is capable of giving a child a healthy stable home at levels similar to other couples. If the evidence isn't enough for you I can understand that, and understand your argument. However, your argument isn't actually an argument, its just stating your belief. Your belief doesn't make the numerous studies that HAVE happened disappear, or cease to exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Not to stop them there isnt, they have all been throughly debunked.
    No they have not been "debunked." Reasons have been given as to why certain people see it differently, and that is that.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There has not been an argument against same sex marriage under the Marriage License which has supported the rights and liberties of the individual. Without that, you can have no just argument.
    My argument is justified by God. You can like it or not, and considering our rights according to the founders are endowed by the creator, you have no just argument as well.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    My argument is justified by God. You can like it or not, and considering our rights according to the founders are endowed by the creator, you have no just argument as well.
    you have every right to your opinion, but remember some of the founding fathers were adulterers and slave owners. did god not endow slaves with rights as well? my thoughts is that our rights weren't endowed by anyone, we make our own rights.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    My argument is justified by God. You can like it or not, and considering our rights according to the founders are endowed by the creator, you have no just argument as well.
    Really the founders thoughts on rights came from a more humanist perspective, that we have rights simply because we are human.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    My argument is justified by God. You can like it or not, and considering our rights according to the founders are endowed by the creator, you have no just argument as well.
    Gods are not found in our government, nor can you rightfully enforce your gods upon the rest of us. The founders often used references to gods, but not all believed. Where rights came from is irrelevant, less you're actually god; in which case you can spell it out. If not, then you're just some human who thinks he knows god's thoughts. But since I have a sneaking suspicion that you are not god, then what we are left with is "rights exist". And there's the starting point. Rights exist. Now, we have a SECULAR government. I know that word makes you shiver, but it's true. Therefore, no argument based on gods can be considered just and rightful in a system based on the rights and liberties of the individual. Only arguments which support the rights and liberties of the individual can be taken as just argument in a system built upon the rights and liberties of the individual, such as our Republic.

    In short, your desire to force theocracy is nothing short of tyranny and the very reason why the rest of us have guns.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

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    Really the founders thoughts on rights came from a more humanist perspective, that we have rights simply because we are human.
    or 3/5 human.

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