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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    That would be the majority of the american people at present.
    Yes the majority. Just like in 1990 when the majority of people thought interracial marriage was wrong. To bad the government saw it was discrimination and righted its wrongs 23 years earlier, and California was the FIRST to right its wrongs 42 years earlier.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    That would be the majority of the american people at present.
    The majority are allowed to think anything they want. They are not, however, allowed to infringe upon the rights and liberties of the minority when the minority has not infringed upon the rights and liberties of others first.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    i didn't claim "just" a social institution, i claimed it was a social institution, upon which we have built (among other things) a licensing system. but that system does not preexist the institution upon which it was built, anymore than a church's tax-exempt status predates Christianity.
    None of which is in the least relevant. Which came first means nothing. What matters is that it is not a social institution, it is a legal one currently.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    None of which is in the least relevant. Which came first means nothing. What matters is that it is not a social institution, it is a legal one currently.
    Common sense at its finest.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    translation: you were wrong and misspoke, thanks
    No you're correct, you caught me. I, and the American Psychological Association, were wrong.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    For what? The license predating the social institution? It doesn't. The founding fathers did not have to ask government's permission to get married (which is what the Marriage License really is, and what it was originally intended to be). I don't know what you want me to argue for. But whether the chicken came first or not is inconsequential to the current debate on hand.
    it certainly is not. since the legal system stems from that social institution, it remains bound to it.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No you're correct, you caught me. I, and the American Psychological Association, were wrong.





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    so let me get this straight

    YOU post links to Websters that did NOT support YOUR claim. I point out that what YOU posted you obviously didnt read and did NOT support YOUR claim.

    So now YOU come back with NEW sources in an attempt to gloat?

    LMAO
    thats rich, you again fail. lol

    Fact is what you posted before did NOT support your claim.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    None of which is in the least relevant. Which came first means nothing. What matters is that it is not a social institution, it is a legal one currently.
    no, it remains a social institution. churches are tax exempt. that doesn't mean that all they are is tax shelters; they remain social institutions which perform a host of roles. similarly marriage remains a legally recognized social institution.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Can anybody tell me how marriage is legally recognized?

    you guessed it, by a LEGAL CONTRACT.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no, it remains a social institution. churches are tax exempt. that doesn't mean that all they are is tax shelters; they remain social institutions which perform a host of roles. similarly marriage remains a legally recognized social institution.
    The part the government is involved in is not the social aspect, but the legal aspect. You cannot make that legal aspect go away. it exists, and is the part of marriage that this thread is actually discussing.
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