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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Ok cpwill Im done with your word games and you dancing around so Im getting back on topic and staying on topic.
    yeah. i'm done feeding the troll. gosh i hope i wasn't that annoying when i was 17.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Murder violates another person's right to life. Allowing gays to marry members of the same sex doesn't violate another person's rights at all. Legal marriage is a contract.
    marriage itself is a social institution; the licensing etc. that we have set up around it is designed to reflect that. you are mistaking the derivative for the source.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yeah. i'm done feeding the troll. gosh i hope i wasn't that annoying when i was 17.
    Troll?
    17?

    Wow your desperation and attempts to save face grow with every post LMAO. It wont work, you've been exposed.
    Now back to the topic at hand in the REST of my post you let out.

    Please tell me ONE sound, reasonable, logical, non-bias, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american, non-discriminating reason to "Stop" gay marriage.

    This is all Im interested in discussing
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yeah. i'm done feeding the troll. gosh i hope i wasn't that annoying when i was 17.
    You probably won't want to look into that too much. hehehe

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    marriage itself is a social institution; the licensing etc. that we have set up around it is designed to reflect that. you are mistaking the derivative for the source.
    Marriage itself is a commitment between two people, legally it is a contract as the Marriage License is a government issued and recognized contract. Nothing he said was incorrect. Legaly marriage is in fact, no matter how much you wish it wasn't, a contract.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You probably won't want to look into that too much. hehehe
    agreed.

    My first thought was why is he asking that. Why would he wonder if he wass annoying at 17, he is annoying NOW so of course he was at 17. Usually people mature with age so he was probably WORSE than now. Some of us mature with age and some clearly do not. Its amazing how he thinks all that jumping around, projecting, dodging and circle talks actually works, it doesent.



    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Marriage itself is a commitment between two people, legally it is a contract as the Marriage License is a government issued and recognized contract. Nothing he said was incorrect. Legaly marriage is in fact, no matter how much you wish it wasn't, a contract.
    this is actually right, legally it is a contract.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    A solution that I think would make both sides happy is just get government out of the religious aspects of marriage, and allow people to join in civil unions. Let private entities handle the controversy, but as long as government is involved in marriage and a ban on gay marriage, there is discrimination. The Bible is irrelevant here as it is not the basis of our legal system. The government took marriage from the private realm to the public by getting involved in marriage.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    A solution that I think would make both sides happy is just get government out of the religious aspects of marriage, and allow people to join in civil unions. Let private entities handle the controversy, but as long as government is involved in marriage and a ban on gay marriage, there is discrimination. The Bible is irrelevant here as it is not the basis of our legal system. The government took marriage from the private realm to the public by getting involved in marriage.
    It would be nice to get rid of the Marriage License all together. There should be no tax incentives in the least for being married or having children. Those are personal choices which come with consequences. It does not take a village, it takes a parent to be a parent. The contracts which are bundled into the Marriage License can be made easily available to everyone. You shouldn't have to be married to get access to some of the choices. The Churches could handle marriage and they can sort out the mess on their own.

    But it's unlikely. Government doesn't like to give up power it's usurped.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    A solution that I think would make both sides happy is just get government out of the religious aspects of marriage, and allow people to join in civil unions. Let private entities handle the controversy, but as long as government is involved in marriage and a ban on gay marriage, there is discrimination. The Bible is irrelevant here as it is not the basis of our legal system. The government took marriage from the private realm to the public by getting involved in marriage.
    I personally wouldn't be opposed to this but my stance on it is that discrimination can still be claimed. And I would never argue against it.

    The simple question would have to be asked,"why is it changed" and any answer not involving the acknowledged of certain people not wanting gays to use that word would be dishonest.

    IMO name changing is a cop out, plain and simple its letting the bad guys win instead of doing what is right.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    marriage itself is a social institution; the licensing etc. that we have set up around it is designed to reflect that. you are mistaking the derivative for the source.
    Marriage has thousands(literally) of benefits and privileges written into US law. To claim it is just a social institution is incredibly false.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I would love to hear the difference you believe there is between "sex" and "gender", unless you're meaning "sex" as something other than defining if someone is male or female and are talking more about the carnal act.
    Sure I'd be happy to give you my personal religious belief on what "sex" and "gender" are.

    The Book of Webster, 16: 9-14:

    Behold, for this is what the Lord says: "Sex is either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male especially on the basis of their reproductive organs and structures, for I am the Lord".

    Then I made an alter to the Lord and gave fellowship and sin offerings, and the Word of the Lord came to me again. "Go to DebatePolitics.com and say to them 'Behold, for this is what the Lord says: 'Sex' is also the sum of the structural, functional, and behavioral characteristics of organisms that are involved in reproduction marked by the union of gametes and that distinguish males and females', for I am the Lord who lives forever and ever."
    Also, from the Book of Merriam: 12:3-8:

    And Jesus said unto them "Blessed is a subclass within a grammatical class (as noun, pronoun, adjective, or verb, as appointed by the Lord our Father in heaven) of a language that is partly arbitrary but also partly based on distinguishable characteristics (as shape, social rank, manner of existence, or sex, amen) and that determines agreement with and selection of other words or grammatical forms b : membership of a word or a grammatical form in such a subclass c : an inflectional form showing membership in such a subclass

    Verily I say unto you, a : sex <the feminine gender> b : the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex
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